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Mötley Crüe are headed back to the start. The legendary metal band announced on Tuesday (Sept. 10) that they will support their upcoming new EP, Cancelled, with a return to their old 1980s stomping grounds on Los Angeles’ Sunset Strip as part of what they’re calling a Höllywood Takeöver.

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The three gigs were teased over the Labor Day weekend when flyers promoting the gigs at The Roxy, Troubadour and Whiskey a Go Go popped up all over L.A. Tickets for the gigs — Oct. 7 at the Troubadour, Oct. 9 at The Roxy and Oct. 11 at the Whiskey a Go Go — will go on sale to the general public on Saturday (Sept. 14) at 1 p.m. ET exclusively at the box offices of the three venues as hard tickets only; sales are limited to two tickets per person, with more information available here.

For reference, in July, the band headlined the 17,000-capacity Scotiabank Saddledome at this year’s Calgary Stampede festival, while the three L.A. club shows will top out at 500 Crüebadours each.

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The three gigs will be in support of the upcoming (Oct. 4) release of their three-song EP, which features the new songs “Dogs of War” and the title track, as well as their rocked-up cover of the Beastie Boys’ beloved 1986 Billboard Hot 100 No. 7 hit “Fight For Your Right.” Along with the club shows, the band will host a pop-up store with exclusive, band-curated merch slated to open on Oct. 6 at another iconic Sunset Strip joint, the Rainbow Bar and Grill; the store will remain open through Oct. 12 from 3 p.m.-midnight daily.

As part of their return to the rooms where they made their bones in the 1980s, the Crüe announced a new philanthropic effort, the Mötley Crüe Giveback Initiative, which will have them partnering with several non-profits close to their hearts, including the teen homelessness organization Covenant House. An auction for two pair of tickets to the Troubadour show opened on Tuesday — click here to bid — and will be followed by another auction beginning on Sept. 30 featuring rare, stage-played collectible instruments from each of the three club shows.

The band — singer Vince Neil, drummer Tommy Lee, bassist Nikki Sixx and newest member, guitarist John 5 — will also host a charity dinner at the Rainbow on Oct. 8, with proceeds benefitting Covenant House.

How long has it been since The Cure released new music? The last time we had fresh tunes from the goth rock godheads President Biden was just about to begin his first stint… as Vice President. So, a lifetime.
But fans of the long-running Robert Smith-fronted grand ministers of mope took heart this week when a small tweak to the band’s social media feeds renewed hope that the long-awaited follow-up to 2008’s 4:13 Dream album could be inching closer to reality. Eagle-eyed followers noted that the band swapped out their official logo for a new one featuring their name in white inside a black circle.

It was a small change, but when you’ve been waiting this long, anything feels just like manna from heaven. Take a peek at the comments on the Cure’s official Facebook page reacting to the tiny tweak for evidence. “A sign of things to come!!!!,” wrote one fan, accompanied by other excited reactions, including: “Here we go folks!,” “Come on, new album. I want to hear the studio version of those new songs you played in Leeds 2022,” “Album announcement? [prayer hands, black heart emoji],” “Please be planning on a tour, I got into your music this year and you’re already one of my top 5 favorite bands,” “Wrap it up & ship it out!” and “Please be real.”

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Though there was no official announcement about the Cure’s 14th studio album at press time, the logo update had followers excited that the LP they’ve been waiting for — reportedly titled Songs of a Lost World — could be on the horizon. The comment referring to Leeds referenced the time two years ago when the group debuted three new songs on tour, “A Fragile Thing,” “I Can Never Say Goodbye” and “Another Happy Birthday.”

Their hopes were further boosted when guitarist Reeves Gabrels posted the new logo on his Instagram, with a reminder to go to the Cure’s official website to sign up for news, with the caption featuring the hashtag #songsofalostworld.

In the meantime, fans will have to make do with the upcoming release of live versions of two of those new songs on the live 12″ Novembre: Live in France 2022, due out on Oct. 1. The double A-side 12″ LP will have in concert versions of “And Nothing Is Forever” and “I Can Never Say Goodbye,” pressed on Eco-vinyl through Naked Record Club, with net profits headed to Brian Eno’s Earth Percent climate charity. Dreamy ballad “And Nothing Is Forever” was recorded at Montpellier Sud de France Arena on Nov. 8, 2022, while “I Never Can Say Goodbye” was laid down in Toulouse at Zénith on Nov. 13, 2022 on the French leg of the group’s 2022 Shows of a Lost World tour.

Longtime keyboardist Roger O’Donnell recently revealed that he was diagnosed with a rare and aggressive form of lymphoma in Sept. 2023. “In September last year I was diagnosed with a very rare and aggressive form of lymphoma. I had ignored the symptoms for a few months but finally went, and after surgery, the result of the biopsy was devastating,” O’Donnell wrote on X as part of Blood Cancer Awareness Month in a bid to urge fans to prioritize their health and get tested early.

Ex-Pink Floyd singer and guitarist David Gilmour is on track to claim the No. 1 spot on this week’s U.K. Official Albums Chart midweek update with his latest release, Luck and Strange.

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If the album maintains its lead, this would be Gilmour’s third solo chart-topper, following Rattle That Lock in 2015 and On an Island in 2006.

As a member of Pink Floyd, Gilmour has already secured six No. 1 albums in the U.K. His return to the top of the charts with Luck and Strange would mark his first solo No. 1 in nine years.

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Speaking to Billboard last month, Gilmour commented that his new album is “the best album I’ve made since Dark Side of the Moon, since 1973.”

“The album feels like a solid body of cohesive work,” Gilmour explained. “It’s the cohesiveness of the whole thing — the writing, the work, the thrill it still gives me to listen to it all the way through as an album. There’s a consistency of thought and of feeling that runs through it that excites me in a way that makes me make those comparisons.”

Meanwhile, Sabrina Carpenter’s Short n’ Sweet holds its ground at No. 2 on the chart blast, eyeing a second consecutive week in that position. The pop sensation’s latest release continues to draw attention, remaining a strong contender in the U.K. charts.

Indie favorite Rex Orange County is also making waves, with his new album The Alexander Technique currently sitting at No. 5. This marks his third Top 5 entry, following the success of Pony (2019) and WHO CARES? (2022).

Veteran new wave band The The is making a significant comeback with Ensoulment, their first album in 25 years.

The record is tracking to debut at No. 6, potentially becoming their highest-charting album since Dusk peaked at No. 2 in 1993. South London’s Fat Dog is set to make an impressive debut with WOOF, their first full-length release, currently positioned at No. 7.

Fred again.. is aiming for a Top 10 debut with ten days, which is tracking at No. 8, while Ultravox’s 40th-anniversary edition of Lament is also set to re-enter the charts at No. 11.

Linkin Park’s greatest hits collection Papercuts is climbing to No. 13, while their classic debut Hybrid Theory is seeing a resurgence, currently at No. 45 midweek​.

Katy Perry is making a return with her latest single and video, “I’M HIS, HE’S MINE,” featuring rapper Doechii, set to drop on Friday, Sept. 13.
Perry announced the news on social media on Sept. 10, teasing fans with a sneak peek of the song, which serves as the latest release from Perry’s upcoming dance-pop album 143, dropping Sept. 20.

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The collaboration news comes following controversy surrounding Perry’s previous single “Woman’s World,” which was produced by Dr. Luke, who has been involved in legal battles over accusations of sexual misconduct, most famously with Kesha.

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In a Sept. 4 episode of Call Her Daddy, Perry addressed the controversy and acknowledged that the collaboration “started a lot of conversations.”

“He was one of many collaborators that I collaborated with,” she continued of Dr. Luke, who helped craft “California Gurls,” “Teenage Dream” and several more of her biggest hits over the years.

“But the reality is, it comes from me. The truth is, I wrote these songs from my experience of my whole life going through this metamorphosis, and he was one of the people to help facilitate all that. One of the writers, one of the producers.”

“I am speaking from my own experience,” Perry added. “When I speak about ‘Woman’s World,’ I speak about feeling so empowered now as a mother, as a woman, giving birth, creating life … I’m still a matriarch and feeling really grounded in that. That’s where I’m speaking from. So I created all of this with several different collaborators, people that I’ve collaborated with from the past, from the ‘Teenage Dream’ era, all of that.”

Perry first skyrocketed to fame with her 2008 album One of the Boys, propelled by the massive success of “I Kissed a Girl,” which became her first Billboard Hot 100 No. 1.

Perry’s third album, Teenage Dream (2010), marked a historic moment as it produced five consecutive No. 1 singles on the Billboard Hot 100, a record previously held only by Michael Jackson. Iconic hits such as “Firework,” “California Gurls,” and “E.T.” helped shape Perry’s reputation as a global pop powerhouse.

Her follow-up albums, including Prism (2013) and Witness (2017), continued her chart success, with “Roar” and “Dark Horse” both reaching No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100. Over her career, Perry has amassed nine Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 singles, 14 Top 10 hits, and several accolades, including being named Billboard’s Woman of the Year in 2012.

Linkin Park’s return with new vocalist Emily Armstrong has sparked controversy, with Chester Bennington’s son, Jaime Bennington, accusing Mike Shinoda of “quietly erasing my father’s life and legacy in real time.”

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Jaime aired his grievances on social media following the band’s Sept. 5 livestream event, where Armstrong, formerly of Dead Sara, was introduced as the band’s new co-lead vocalist.

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The announcement followed weeks of speculation as Linkin Park teased fans with a countdown before revealing Armstrong as their new singer. They also released a new track, “The Emptiness Machine,” from their upcoming album From Zero, which debuted at No. 24 on the Rock & Alternative Airplay list.

Armstrong joins the band following the passing of Chester Bennington in 2017.

While many fans welcomed the band’s new chapter, others expressed concerns about the band’s new volcalist’s past ties to Scientology and her previous association with convicted rapist Danny Masterson.

In response to the backlash, Armstrong issued a statement on Sept. 6 via Instagram to address the controversy.

“Several years ago, I was asked to support someone I considered a friend at a court appearance and went to one early hearing as an observer. Soon after, I realized I shouldn’t have. I have never spoken with him since,” she wrote. “To say it as clearly as possible: I do not condone abuse or violence against women, and I empathize with the victims of these crimes.”

Despite Armstrong’s explanation, Jaime Bennington was deeply critical of Shinoda’s decision to bring her into the band.

He said via Instagram on Sept. 9, “You hired your friend of many years, Emily Armstrong, to replace Chester… knowing Emily’s history in the church and her history as an ally to Danny Masterson.”

Jaime did not hold back, accusing Shinoda of ignoring the impact this decision might have on the band’s fanbase, particularly those affected by sexual violence.

“You quietly erase[d] my father’s life and legacy in real time… during international suicide prevention month and refuse to acknowledge the impact of hiring someone like Emily, without so much as a clarifying statement on the variety of victims that make up your core fan base,” Jaime said.

His criticisms didn’t stop there. He added, “You betrayed the trust loaned to you by decades of fans and supporting human beings including myself. We trusted you to be the bigger, better person. To be the change. Because you promised us that was your intention. Now you’re just senile and tone deaf.”

At the time of writing, neither Shinoda nor the band has publicly responded to Jaime Bennington’s comments.

Chester, who joined the band in 1999, became an icon with the release of their debut album Hybrid Theory in 2000, followed by the highly successful Meteora (2003). His sudden death in 2017 left a deep void, both in the band and among fans.

In a recent cover interview with Billboard, Shinoda spoke about the challenges of moving forward without Chester.

“Emily was always going to be able to hit the notes and scream the parts,” Shinoda said, but he also recognized that the change would take time for fans to accept. “It’ll be a question of, ‘How does it land with people?’ And I don’t know how it will. But I know that, when I hear it, I love it.”

Shinoda reflected on the band’s journey to creating their upcoming album, From Zero. “We didn’t know how far we would get in our efforts. This has been years of struggling to understand what it can and should be.”

From Zero will mark the band’s first album One More Light, released two months prior to Bennington’s death. The set launched at No. 1 on Billboard’s Top Rock & Alternative Albums chart in June 2017 and has earned 1 million equivalent album units to date.

Linkin Park’s first performance with Armstrong is scheduled for Sept. 11 in Los Angeles. As From Zero is set to be released on Nov. 15.

As Shaboozey celebrated his first two CMA Awards nominations on Monday (Sept. 9), he took a moment to recognize an artist who didn’t score any nods at the country awards show: Beyoncé. The country newcomer shared his excitement on social media over scoring two nods at the Nov. 20 show — new artist of the […]

As one of modern-day K-pop‘s top-selling soloists, Baekhyun hardly needs an introduction. But with the release of his new solo album Hello, World, the singer-songwriter is signaling more than just another musical comeback — it’s the start of a new era, where Baekhyun is equally involved behind the scenes as he is when performing the songs onstage.

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After his 2023 exit from SM Entertainment, the K-pop label where he spent 12 formative years as a member of EXO as well as its subunit EXO-CBX, and the Billboard 200-topping supergroup SuperM, Baekhyun established a new home at INB100, which also houses fellow EXO members Xiumin and Chen. While EXO’s group activities remain tied to SM, Hello, World is Baekhyun’s first release outside his longtime label, showcasing the growth and independence cultivated as an established idol performer and an increasingly more hands-on K-pop professional.

Hello, World tracks like the bossa nova-inspired “Rendez-Vous” and crunchy-yet-harmonious, electro-pop cut “Woo” strike a balance between the polished, silky R&B and jazz influences Baekhyun first showed in 2019’s City Lights (that peaked at No. 4 on Billboard’s World Albums chart and spent 16 weeks on the chart) to more experimental ideas he’s been eager to explore including a rap-like delivery on “Cold Heart” and the ’80s new wave-tinged departure into synth-pop on the lead single “Pineapple Slice.” Now having a production-heavy hand in everything from musical direction to visual concepts, tracklisting and fan connectivity, the superstar admits that his perfectionist tendencies slowed down the process but ultimately led him to the proper balance.

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“I’m a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to music,” Baekhyun shares during an afternoon Zoom call from a Seoul office. “I think [the album] was delayed because I was trying to find the right feel to release the perfect album, which was really born from the title track ‘Pineapple Slice,’ which ended up being just the song I was looking for.”

The lead single’s sweet-yet-sultry vibe became the cornerstone for the rest of the album, inspiring the 32-year-old to push boundaries and further personalize his creative process.

“Now, I want to express my opinion, my ideas and what I want to try,” Baekhyun adds. “I think it’s fun to build up from the primary stages of preparing for an album and working together with a team where I’ve been able to contribute more is exciting. I feel a bit more ownership.”

While Baekhyun’s comeback may look like a seamless return to form from the outside, Hello, World results from countless hours spent behind the scenes, meticulously crafting his sound and image to kickstart a new chapter with grace. For now, the EP is Baekhyun’s way of saying he’s back and ready to take on even more in his next phase, sharing with Billboard more about the album, the processes behind it, and how he wants to meet fans around the world.

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How are you feeling with this new album release? The album’s title is Hello, World, and the opening song is “Good Morning.” Does it feel like a new day for you as an artist?

I really like new beginnings so I’m very exited about this new chapter in my life and excited to show a greater audience what I’ve prepared. That’s exactly why I put “Good Morning” as the first track on the album and why I named it Hello, World because the first lyrics that start the song are “Hello, world” so I wanted a lot of people to listen and feel like, “Oh, this is the start.” The song was kind of made to feel like preparation for your heart to listen to the rest of the album; it has an overall very soft sound and I thought that it would be nice to build up musically throughout the album. I was very particular with the tracklist, so I’m very happy that the order of songs get progressively more climactic.

This isn’t your first solo album, but your first under your new company in INB100. Has the process been similar or different to past releases?

It’s very different from when I released my previous album. Now, I want to express my opinion, my ideas, and what I want to try, which I think is really good because I can try a lot of big, new ideas. I think it’s fun to build up from the primary stages of preparing for an album and working together with a team where I’ve been able to contribute more is exciting. So, I feel a bit more ownership of the album — I’m excited for it to become one of my favorites.

You enlisted in the military for almost two years, and it’s been three-and-a-half years since your last solo record in 2021. Generally speaking, what took so long?

I’m a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to music, and I think it was delayed because I was trying to find the right feel to release the perfect album, which was really born from the title track [single] “Pineapple Slice,” which ended up being just the song I was looking for. As long as it took, I really put a lot of effort into this to be able to put and show a lot more of the things that I wanted to do.

What kind of things were you able to do this time?

I had a lot of thoughts about wanting to show who I am as an artist in the long term which means that I should focus on the music that I enjoy and artistic decisions that I, as an artist, wish to make. Stylistically, a lot of the music is what I wants to do. The genre is R&B, but there are so many genres that I can branch out to further with that genre as a base. I even tried rapping on this album which was something new for me.

Second off, process-wise — the music video, the recording procedure and the visuals — everything was a little bit more “Baekhyun-centric” and I was able to input a lot more of my opinions. Instead of someone saying, “Oh, this would look good on you,” I was able to, I guess, reverse that process and say, “This is what I’ve been envisioning for myself, what do you guys think?” and move forward from there.

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You say Hello, World is inspired by movie genres with the album description saying, “A world where imagination becomes reality.” How exactly did you show this?

I’ve done a lot of different concepts throughout my career and I believe that the job of an idol is to kind of experience all these different sides you show. So, I thought that [making] the keyword “films” or “movies” would be a good way to put that in like one big box and express all these different things that I’ve done as one big genre. So, pretending that this is all a movie means I can turn my imagination into reality: I can be the stuntman, I can be a writer, I can be the director; there are so many different roles that go into making a movie…the “Pineapple Slice” music video is vampire themed and that also kind of taps into the fantasy and magic genre. But, once again, imagination becomes reality because, unlike the stereotypical vampire who is afraid of the sun and gets burned by the sunlight, my character in the music video does not, so it’s even these little twists that reflect back on the overarching theme of a world that I’ve imagined.

You can be very theatrical in your music, concepts, and even your vocals, but I’ve also read you are very low-key; right now, you’re in a T-shirt and simple hair. Does it feel like you’re acting when you go into K-pop idol concepts? Is idol life like acting in a way?

I think the job of an idol is similar to that of an actor, who acts according to the scene or concept. While I’m very satisfied with my job, I don’t usually like to wear makeup on a daily basis so that’s why I’m a bit more casual today. [Laughs] But on the other hand, I think there are differences. Onstage, I definitely focus on the moment and fully digest the concept in the song, but I don’t really feel like that’s acting — it’s not like I’m putting on a new persona. It’s more so that I focus on the moment and the job of performing the song perfectly more than being fake or pretending to be something.

The first preview we got of the album was the bossa nova-inspired “Rendez-Vous” performed during your Lonsdaleite Asia tour. Why was this song important to introduce your new chapter of music?

I wanted to show the most “Baekhyun-like” style from the songs I had. It’s been a while since I’ve been out [with new music], so I wanted to show fans a sound they were more familiar with instead of something completely new that would feel surprising or distant. I personally really like the song “Rendez-Vous,” like you mentioned it incorporates bossa nova, and that’s what I enjoy about R&B is how it can branch into and be altered in so many different ways depending on what you fuse in it.

Even since your last record, R&B music has changed so much, so it’s cool that you can do areas you’re comfortable with and play with something new in a song like “Pineapple Slice.”

When I first heard “Pineapple Slice, ” I got the feel within the first few seconds that this was the track I wanted to make as my single. I’d been searching for a song that has a very intriguing instrumental and catches the ear and “Pineapple Slice “did that. The bassline is very catchy so when you first hear it, I could kind of envision people listening and tapping their feet to the bass. And it’s different from his first three albums [singles] “UN Village,” “Candy,” and “Bambi” in that it has a stronger sound rather than the smoother, jazzy vibe. But the lyrics are very sweet, speaking about a male character trying to lure and seduce a lover, so I think the contrast is also very charming.

What do you think is the most surprising song on the album for fans?

“Cold Heart” was a track that, when I first heard it, I was very much like, “Oh, would I be able to pull this off?” but I really wanted to give it a shot. It was the first time I chose a song that I wanted to be better at; I chose it because I wanted to kind of prove that I could do it. I’ve spent so long as a vocalist, and this track has a lot of hip-hop influences and references, so finding the correct tone for rap was very difficult. So, I’m still feeling very nervous about this song coming out to the world and that the release day will be my “judgment day” since the fans will then be able to see whether or not I really pulled it off. I believe they’ll think, “Oh, Baekhyun sings this kind of song?”

It’s great to hear you challenging yourself in all these different ways under your new company. Why was it important for you to break out and create a space with your own company?

First of all, I wanted to meet my fans more and get a little bit more closer to them. And I always wanted to participate more in my own album process. With this question, rather than thinking about enjoying a new type of challenge, it’s more so that I really just wanted to get closer to my fans and listeners. Likewise, I believe that now I won’t have to take as long of a break between releases and hope to be able to come back in a quicker time frame. Working with my team and people, more possibilities are open for me in regards to things that I can do in the future, like producing, for example. Although there aren’t any set plans as of now, it’s a dream of mine and I thought this new chapter would open such doors.

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That makes sense because you’re keeping group activities with EXO strong and have EXO-CBX with you at INB100. More K-pop artists are balancing outside solo careers with group activities. How do you personally balance both sides?

Many fans want to continue seeing new sides of the group, so I understand that and we will continue to try new things and meet you in the future together. As for Baekhyun as a soloist, I feel that’s a little bit different from Baekhyun as a part of a group. So, in the future, I’m excited to show three different sides of myself: as a part of a unit, a solo artist, and also as part of a group. So I hope my fans are also excited to witness that journey alongside [me] as it happens.

Anything you can tease for your fans in this new era? Or other messages to the fans?

So, first and foremost, I’ll definitely be working on album promotions. Apart from that, I want to go on a world tour someday — and it’s definitely a possibility that’s, uh, not very far from reach. [Laughs] Since I recently finished my Asia tour, I want to branch out further to fans around the world…

To EXO-Ls who have been waiting for my album for such a long time, I’m so grateful for all of you and I want to promise you that there will never be a break like this again. I’ll show you a lot of great things in the future with new looks, new music, and all the cool things I’m ready to show the world. And like I slightly teased before, I’m ready to go meet more fans around the world so I hope that everyone stays happy and healthy until we meet again.

Folks are still reacting to Kendrick Lamar announcing that he’s headlining the 2025 Super Bowl halftime show in New Orleans in February. However, Pusha T reacted to something else after Sunday’s big news. While telling the world that he’ll be performing in the NFL’s “Big Game,” Lamar said something that resonated with the Virginia rapper. […]

K-pop boy band BOYNEXTDOOR dipped into the members’ personal stories for the tracks on new EP 19.99. Singer Taesan tells Billboard that the seven-track mini-album “explores the emotions experienced just before turning 20. Specifically, the tracks express the intricate emotions that precede and follow turning 20.”
Group leader Jaehyun adds that the album is especially close to the singers’ hearts because it involves a lot of “true stories” from their personal lives. “We felt a lot of some kind of pain, some kind of happy and some kind of thankful. We always feel pain of growth, growing, so that is our album’s story,” he says.

The EP that dropped on Monday (Sept. 9), was preceded by the uptempo single “Dangerous,” which the group says represents their “mischievous side,” in which they fantasize about such rule-breaking activities as not listening to their moms, hanging out with friends all night and other shenanigans they pulled off before turning 20. And while their aim was to express a wide variety of feelings in a uniquely BOYNEXTDOOR fashion, boys also, of course, just wanna have fun.

Then again, lead single “Nice Guy” presents the flip side of that dangerous attitude, with lyrics Jaehyun says are funny and witty, which, of course, would not be as funny if they were all in their 30s. (All of BOYNEXTDOOR’s members — which also include Sungho, Riwoo, Leehan and Woonhak — are between 17 and 20 years old.) “But we are 20, or 19, 17, so I think that point is a really good point and ‘Nice Guy’ is [like a] flirt to someone,” he says.

Because the members of HYBE’s latest boy band write and co-produce a lot of their songs, Taesan — who co-wrote and co-produced “Dangerous” — says he also incorporated a lot of his own stories and an anecdote involving one of his siblings on the EP that focuses on “real-life experiences” rather than more generalized pop culture references from TV and movies. “We tried our best to use lyrics and melodies that feel genuinely relatable from our everyday experiences,” he says.

BOYNEXTDOOR scored its highest charting album to date in the U.S. when How? entered the Top Album Sales chart at No. 7 on the May 4-dated tally. The group released its first single album, Who! in May 2023, followed by the EP, Why.., in Sept. 2023 and this year’s How?

Watch BOYNEXTDOOR’s interview with Billboard above.

Earlier this year, while on YG‘s 4HUNNID podcast, Lil Wayne expressed interest in wanting to headline the 2025 Super Bowl halftime show in his hometown. “I will not lie to you, I have not got a call,” Wayne said around the 23-minute mark during the February interview. “But we all praying, we keeping our fingers […]