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For the better part of the last decade, Joe Keery has most of his time bouncing between worlds. In the more literal sense, he’s navigated to-and-from the Upside Down as Steve Harrington, the bad boy-turned-fan favorite, on Netflix’s Stranger Things. But outside of the hit series, he has balanced his growing prominence as an actor — recently starring in the dramedy Marmalade with Camila Morrone, and in the latest season of Fargo alongside Jon Hamm as his sheriff character’s son — with Djo, his ever-burgeoning solo music project.
For part of his 20s, Keery attended college and lived in Chicago, also cutting his teeth in the indie scene as part of psych-rock band Post Animal. Though he ultimately departed the band as Stranger Things caused too many constraints with his schedule, Keery continued to create music during his free time, ultimately leading to the birth of Djo. Debut album Twenty Twenty arrived in 2019 as an independent release through AWAL; three years later, he utilized the same route for his follow-up set, Decide.
Funnily enough, Keery, 31, is now returning to Chicago in a way — as his dreamy, synth-pop single “End of Beginning” from Decide has transformed into a viral hit in recent months. Reminiscent of new wave hits from the likes of Crowded House and INXS (Keery has noted influence from Annie Lennox’s “No More ‘I Love You’s’” as well), listeners have gravitated in particular to the lyrics in its chorus: “And when I’m back in Chicago, I feel it/ Another version of me, I was in it/ I wave goodbye to the end of beginning.”
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“Your late 20s are a wild time,” he tells Billboard. “The gist of it is being sad that I wasn’t more appreciative for something in the moment — longing for something that’s over, but also being happy that it happened.”
Since the song has gained new legs in 2024, it has reached a No. 11 high on the Billboard Hot 100 (Djo’s first career entry on the chart), while also hitting No. 1 on Hot Alternative Songs and continuing to gain momentum at alternative radio. It could be just the start of a breakout year for Keery’s musical project, as the multi-hyphenate notes he’s finishing a third album and hopes to go on a proper tour, which he still is yet to do in support of Decide, due to his acting career.
In the meantime, he’s also currently filming the final season of Stranger Things. At the time of our Sunday morning call, he’s enjoying a day off by moseying through a number of yard sales in Atlanta, one of which he says has happily yielded a vintage edition of The Settlers of Catan for just $5. Below, Keery tells Billboard about the makings of “End of Beginning,” compares successes as an actor versus successes as a musician, previews what to expect in the year ahead and more.
How did the song come together? Was the demo you posted on social media the first time that you worked on it?
No, I had had the idea. At the time [in fall 2021], I was living in Los Angeles. I had punched the chords out really quick and had an idea for a melody. That demo that I posted was me arranging and starting to figure out what the other parts might be. Then, I banged it out in the studio, at least the instrumental, pretty much in a day, with [co-producer] Adam Thein and [Slow Pulp drummer] Teddy Mathews. We all tracked the bare bones of it — guitar, bass and drums — and filled it in from there.
It was a swift process for this one. The album [2022’s Decide] is full of extra production in a lot of places, so I was just feeling like, “Let’s just make the simplest thing we could possibly make.” Verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus and be done with it. That was the goal: Try to work fast and not overcomplicate things, and that was what we did. The lyrics came a fair bit later. I really like to take the songs outside and walk around; that’s generally when I’m best at thinking up lyrics.
When did you know the song was a finished product?
You never really get to that point. I feel that, personally. There are always things that I wish we could go back and redo or improve this or improve that. But we gave ourselves until the end of March, and then at that point, we thought, “Okay, let’s just set a date for ourselves and then be done with it.”
“End of Beginning” has plenty of accolades to go around: your first Hot 100 entry, No. 1 on Hot Alternative Songs, RIAA certified gold and many more. Do those sort of accomplishments resonate with you?
It has never even been on my radar, to be honest with you, with the style of music that I’m making. It’s really cool, but I almost feel like I don’t have the perspective to really appreciate what’s going on in a way. I think that in time, it’ll come to me even more. They’re cool milestones to hit, but at the end of the day, the greatest thing is being able to go into the studio and work.
Has the song’s meaning changed for you at all over time, or is still the same as when you created it in 2021?
I guess it does mean the same thing; I feel that I’m in a different place, though. Maybe I’ve slightly come to terms more with what I was feeling. I don’t know, your late 20s are kind of a wild time. I’m not a huge believer in astrology, but I do feel like there is something to the whole Saturn return thing.
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Are there conversations happening right now behind the scenes about pushing listeners back toward the rest of Decide or even debut album, Twenty Twenty, versus trying to strike while the iron is hot with new music?
I’m much more focused on new stuff than old stuff — and finishing the new stuff. But the song has opened up possibilities for some new ears to hear the music, and I’m looking forward to getting the new stuff out, because it has been something that I’ve been working on basically since Decide came out. I’m really trying to embrace the newness that has come along with entering my 30s and now living in a different city as well. I’m excited. I feel like it’s a little bit different. It’ll be fun to see what people think.
Do you find that the location where you’re living and recording impacts the creation of the music itself?
One hundred percent, yes I do. I also think that the process of how you go about recording [impacts the music]. To me, it’s all about process over product and letting that process inform the music you’re making. I spent a lot of the last album starting making music on the computer, and I’m trying to take a different approach this time around.
Last time we talked, you told me how the sessions at The Sound Factory really inspired your affinity for in-studio collaboration. Does that still hold true?
Definitely. I have wanted my whole life to get into the studio. So, now to have a little bit more leeway under my belt, it was really cool to get into a professional environment. When you make music at home, you have all these tools, plug-ins and stuff that try to emulate real gear that exists out in the world. To be able to use some of that gear … I don’t know. Working at home is really cool because you can do it whenever, but to be able to go into a place to work feels really good. I really enjoyed that.
How does the song’s success affect your marketing strategy for this side of your career?
In the same way that we haven’t really been able to tour the music — a lot of that has been up to my schedule for shooting [Stranger Things] being all over the place — the same kind of thing with this marketing stuff. You spend all this time making the music, and you do want to market it properly. Now that the word is out a little bit more on the project, and it’s a little less of a secret between the people who know, a change in the way that the project is marketed could be cool. I’m still figuring it out, really.
You’ve talked ad nauseam about your disguises and making an effort to make Djo something of a separate entity than your acting career. When you’re having a big moment like this, is there any part of you that wants to maximize the audience by making the connection between Joe Keery and Djo abundantly clear for people?
Not sure about that. Maybe, but I’m not trying to shove it down anyone’s throat — it’s pretty easy to tell when things are like that. The fact that this all popped off naturally and happened on its own is best possible scenario for me. I’m really happy that it has happened this way. It’s cool for me because all the rules have seemed to changed a little bit.
How do you mean the rules have changed?
It just feels like the project is in a different place. Before, it was this thing that was sort of my own little secret. And now, I don’t know. It makes me think how I could treat it differently. I always am really interested when people use marketing to their advantage — that’s what I tried to last time with the disguise and the name. Maybe there’s a new way to embrace that, and I guess it’s time for me to figure out what that is.
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Is there a difference in how you feel receiving praise for something you’ve acted in versus something you’ve created as a musician?
Definitely. [Being] a performer as opposed to a writer is really the distinction to be made that I’ve found rewarding. That’s kind of the point of art, in general: To share something that people take in as their own and repurpose it for their own life. To be on the receiving end of that is really cool. Obviously, I’ve had some amazing experiences being on [Stranger Things]. The fan base is incredible. To see people wearing your character as a Halloween costume, that’s unbelievable. But [music] does scratch a different itch, and it’s really rewarding. I just feel super lucky.
Are there are any plans for a tour?
Yeah, I’ve got a fair amount of work ahead of me on the show, but the plan would be to do that sooner rather than later. And hopefully to do it right.
I would imagine it’ll be extremely cool to see all the fans in person that either found Decide immediately or as a result of this more recent wave. Looking at numbers on a page can probably only yield so much of a dopamine rush.
Yeah, it’s funny. You release something, and in this day in age — and in my situation — I kind of just released it, and then it was like, “Okay.” I didn’t really play any shows, it just came out, and that was sort of it. So, for me, it still exists as this tiny little thing. This kind of reaction to this song has been a little bit of a wake up call like, “Oh, people are actually listening to this! This exists in the world.”
To see that physically embodied at the shows would be overwhelming I’m sure, but extremely exciting. Live performance is what got me into being an artist in the first place. Just doing plays and enjoying the energy you get in a live setting. I definitely am itching to get out there. At the end of the day, it’s really about the live experience.
Are there lessons that you’ve learned from creating Decide, Twenty Twenty or anything else in the past few years that are influencing how you’re making music now?
This song has taught me the lesson of specificity being something that is important. Also, becoming less interested in something sounding perfect or polished, and more interested in trying to capture something that is a one-of-a-kind thing, whether it’s a sound or a vocal take or a drum sound. I think those are the things that stand the test of time and make things sound different. I’m chasing that more recently.
A version of this story originally appeared in the March 30, 2024, issue of Billboard.
In February, much ado was made about “Turn the Lights Back On,” the first newly released song by Billy Joel in 17 years, and his first Billboard Hot 100 hit since 1997.
Fans certainly missed Joel during that interim, though he continued to perform — monthly at Madison Square Garden from January 2014 to July 2024 (minus the pandemic) and in stadiums, co-headlining with pals such as Stevie Nicks and Sting. Besides keep us entertained, those shows also reminded us that despite the absence of fresh material, the “Piano Man” was hardly a stranger to us. There was, after all, a legacy of 13 studio albums (including the 2001 classical outing Fantasies & Delusions), assorted movie soundtrack contributions and material from compilations.
Joel has logged 43 singles on the Hot 100 since 1974. (“Turn the Lights Back On” peaked at No. 62.) A baker’s dozen of those were top 10 hits, with three (“It’s Still Rock and Roll to Me,” “Tell Her About It” and “We Didn’t Start the Fire”) making it all the way to No. 1.
Along the way, Joel has won five Grammys, been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and the Songwriters Hall of Fame (which also gave him the prestigious Johnny Mercer Award) and received a Kennedy Center Honor. Talking about that success, however, Joel acknowledged to Music Connection in 2022, “Part of me thinks it’s absurd; I’m 73 years old and I’m doing the same gig I was doing when I was 16! This is a job for a young person. I am now considered elderly, and I’m still doing the same crazy-ass job, so that part of it is kind of absurd.”
But, he added, “The other part it means to me is it’s wonderful. I picked a great job to have. They’re paying me all kinds of money. The audiences are bigger than they ever were. People are still coming to see me, and there’s a lot of young people out in the crowd who still know my stuff. That’s wonderful. I’m a lucky guy.”
We’re lucky to have the music, too, even if it’s damn near impossible to pick a favorite. That being said, we’re rounding up Joel’s 10 best songs among his Hot 100 hits. It’s a daunting task, to be sure, but if it means listening to all those hits once again, we’re more than up to the challenge.
Editor’s note: The years listed for each song are the year that single reached its peak on the Hot 100.
“All About Soul” (River of Dreams, No. 29, 1993)
Jon Bon Jovi didn’t get to party with Michael Jackson in the ’80s, but he did get to hang out with the next best thing: the King of Pop’s beloved pet chimp, Bubbles. While chatting on Jimmy Kimmel Live! Wednesday night (April 10), the 62-year-old musician recalled one of the crazier days of his rock-star […]
Alek Olsen’s “Someday I’ll Get It” is No. 1 on the TikTok Billboard Top 50 chart for a third straight week, followed by G-Eazy’s “Lady Killers II” and Hozier’s “Too Sweet” on the ranking dated April 13.
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The TikTok Billboard Top 50 is a weekly ranking of the most popular songs on TikTok in the United States based on creations, video views and user engagement. The latest chart reflects activity April 1-7. Activity on TikTok is not included in Billboard charts except for the TikTok Billboard Top 50. As previously noted, titles that are part of Universal Music Group’s catalog are currently unavailable on TikTok.
Olsen’s “Someday I’ll Get It” enjoys its third week at No. 1 on the chart in as many weeks. It’s the third song to lead the TikTok Billboard Top 50 for at least three weeks since the list’s September 2023 inception, following Mitski’s “My Love Mine All Mine” (six weeks, October-December 2023) and Flo Milli’s “Never Lose Me” (four weeks, January-February).
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The track’s prime usage on TikTok was initially a trend remembering deceased pets – one that continues to this day, though other recent clips find creators reminiscing about other losses they’ve experienced.
The March 29-April 4 Billboard multimetric chart tracking week sees “Someday I’ll Get It” lift 20-18 on the Hot Rock & Alternative Songs list via 3.3 million official U.S. streams, according to Luminate.
G-Eazy’s “Lady Killers II,” billed as the Christoph Andersson remix, lifts to No. 2 on the TikTok Billboard Top 50, a new peak. Released as a follow-up to G-Eazy’s original from the 2012 album Must Be Nice, the tune premiered March 17 after the then-unreleased remix took off on TikTok via a trend in which users turn off a light illuminating them in sync with the “Make her disappear just like poof/ Then she’s gone” lyric, usually on a beach.
“Lady Killers II” concurrently enjoys a 12% boost in official U.S. streams to 4.8 million March 29-April 4. It appears at No. 49 on Billboard’s Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart (after debuting at No. 47 the previous week) and also bows on the Billboard Global 200 at No. 147.
Hozier’s “Too Sweet” leaps to No. 3 on the TikTok Billboard Top 50 from No. 31, also a new peak. After being teased on TikTok prior to its March 22 wide release, the song has vaulted up the chart via multiple viral usages on the platform, mostly lip-synching, covers and being attached to unrelated popular videos.
The song rises 10% in official U.S. streams toward the latest Billboard charts to a new high of 31.8 million, good enough for No. 2 on the all-format Streaming Songs list. It also ascends 5-4 on the multimetric Billboard Hot 100.
Ye (formerly known as Kanye West) and Ty Dolla $ign’s “Carnival,” a previous two-week No. 1 on the TikTok Billboard Top 50, dips 2-4, and Sexyy Red’s “Get It Sexyy” rounds out the top five.
Bakar’s “Hell N Back” returns to the chart at No. 6, its first time among the ranking since January. Originally released in 2019, the song has enjoyed multiple viral moments throughout its lifetime, both on TikTok and via its placement in the trailer for the 2023 Disney/Pixar film Elemental. This time, the track’s Summer Walker remix is driving the attention, with Walker’s vocals soundtracking a trend in which users talk about their significant others to the verse “I was over love, I had enough, then I found you.”
“Hell N Back” returns to the Alternative Streaming Songs chart at No. 15 with 4.6 million official U.S. streams, a boost of 69%.
Artemas’ “I Like the Way You Kiss Me” is one of three songs, like Hozier’s “Too Sweet,” to reach the TikTok Billboard Top 50’s top 10 for the first time, jumping 19-7. It’s joined by BossMan Dlow’s “Talk My Shit,” which debuts at No. 9. The latter, which was released as part of the rapper’s March 15 album Mr Beat the Road, is rising thanks to a dance trend using the song, while the former was teased on TikTok prior to release and is mostly being used in lip-synch clips.
See the full TikTok Billboard Top 50 here. You can also tune in each Friday to SiriusXM’s TikTok Radio (channel 4) to hear the premiere of the chart’s top 10 countdown at 3 p.m. ET, with reruns heard throughout the week.
Kiss the Future, the documentary about U2’s landmark 1997 concert in Sarajevo, is coming to Paramount+, Billboard can exclusively announce.
The Berlin Film Festival and Tribeca Film Festival selection will arrive exclusively on the platform in the U.S. and Canada on May 7.
The film, produced by Ben Affleck and Matt Damon for Artists Equity and Sarah Anthony, is based on writer Bill S. Carter’s memoir Fools Rush In, which captures the artistic defiance surrounding the 1990s siege of Sarajevo during the Bosnian War. The doc highlights the underground community that used music to effect change, ultimately inspiring an American aid worker to reach out to U2 to help raise awareness of the conflict.
Kiss the Future features interviews with U2’s Bono, The Edge and Adam Clayton, as well as President Bill Clinton, journalist Christiane Amanpour and more as it celebrates U2’s post-war concert, where they performed to 45,000 fans in the joyous, liberated city.
“What I learned from my experience during the war and through the process of making this film is that even in the darkest of times, those who found purpose through playing music, making art and helping others did not just survive, they thrived – in the end Sarajevans embraced their enemy in order to heal,” Kiss the Future director and co-writer Nenad Cicin-Sain shared in an exclusive statement to Billboard. “The people of Sarajevo gave me hope in humanity, and I believe if you see this movie it will do the same for you.”
U2 lead guitarist The Edge added: “Kiss the Future documents how through superhuman acts of courage and creativity, the people of Sarajevo kept going while their city was under siege during the bloody Balkan civil war of the early 1990s. Their story of defiance and resistance against extreme nationalism couldn’t be more relevant to today. To have been even a small part of this amazing story is a huge privilege.”
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U2 just wrapped a 40-date residency at the brand-new Las Vegas venue Sphere last month, grossing $244.5 million from 663,000 tickets sold to become the fourth-highest-grossing concert residency of all time.
Watch the Kiss the Future trailer below, and watch the film exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. and Canada starting May 7.
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Four decades into a career which has had its ups, downs, health problems, and bandmates bail, Jon Bon Jovi hasn’t lost his enthusiasm for storytelling.On Wednesday (April 10), the Rock Hall-inducted Bon Jovi band leader made the long haul to Los Angeles for a long overdue chat on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Just weeks out from the release on Hulu of the documentary Thank You, Goodnight: The Bon Jovi Story, there was a lot of ground to cover. Bon Jovi was in the mood to go all the way back, with several anecdotes that you couldn’t make up, and give a glimpse into the future of Bon Jovi. In one of the stranger recollections, the New Jersey icon told of a first-up meeting with Michael Jackson at the late singer’s hotel in Tokyo. Connections were made, all went well and figuring they were now besties, Bon Jovi invited MJ downstairs to the band’s room. The King of Pop didn’t come, but he did send Bubbles the chimp as his representative. “Bubbles comes down and wreaks havoc. Bubbles parties like a rock star. Bubbles showed up, he hung hard,” was how Bon Jovi remembers it. For how long did the primate swing with the band? Long enough for hotel management to threaten to expel the lot of them.Playing the role of a raconteur taking a trip down memory lane, Bon Jovi recounts his first recording, earning $183 to play R2-D2 singing “We Wish You a Merry Christmas” on a Star Wars Christmas album. The singer also confirmed his buddy routine with fellow Jersey legend Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi’s high-school hero. They take long drives. “No radio, no phones no body, we’ll go for 100 miles where the two of us can lock the doors and go for a ride and talk, and catchup,” he says. There’s been sightings, word is out. Though Bovi Jovi remarks that he’s still waiting for a cop to pull them over and get the shock of his or her life. The rocker also explained how he did his own promo for the band’s first hit “Runaway” by putting the record in the hands of hungry disc jockeys; finding a novel solution when 500,000 copies of the original, risqué artwork for Slippery When Wet, the first of the band’s six leaders on the Billboard 200, were destroyed (“it worked for Back In Black. Let’s just give then a black album cover,” he explains, noting it was his finger that wrote out the words); his obsession with collecting; and how he got his hands on his first guitar, buying it back this year from a guy from the neighborhood. With the old axe in his hands, Bon Jovi wrote the song “I’m In Love With My First Guitar,” which will appear on the group’s next, 16th studio album, Forever, due out June 7. “This new record is about finding joy in simple things like that,” he explains.
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All four episodes of Thank You, Goodnight: The Bon Jovi Story will stream from April 26, retelling the Bon Jovi story with personal videos, unreleased early demos, original lyrics, and never-before-seen photos, according to Hulu.
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Aerosmith is back in business. After taking an unexpected break from the Peace Out farewell tour due to Steven Tyler‘s vocal cord injury in 2023, the band has unveiled a slew of new rescheduled dates slated for this fall and winter. The rock icons shared the news on Instagram Wednesday (April 10), confirming that The […]
“To tell you the truth,” says Jakob Nowell, “the songs really weren’t a huge part of my life.”
Jakob’s curls cover the top of his eyes during a mid-March Zoom chat, as he delves into the uneasy topic of his being born into rock royalty. The only son of Sublime singer Bradley Nowell was certainly aware of his late father’s legacy and the long tail of his music; growing up around San Diego and Long Beach, his mother, Troy, would play him Sublime songs on occasion, and the band’s music has long been a permanent fixture of the California rock scene.
“But if you listen to a song by a late family member, it’ll make you cry, or at least be hard to listen to,” Jakob points out, shaggy hair bouncing in place. “I definitely knew a lot of the catalog, but not to the point where folks might think. It wasn’t like, downloaded into my DNA at birth.”
Jakob was one month away from his first birthday when his father died of an accidental heroin overdose in May 1996, just as Sublime’s cult following was about to expand nationally with the ska-punk trio’s major label debut. Sublime, released in July 1996, was a posthumous smash, establishing Sublime as both ‘90s alt-rock icons and an enduring West Coast institution, on the way to selling 7 million copies to date, according to Luminate. And Jakob, a kind and passionate kid who ended up becoming a musician as well, says that his lineage was “both a blessing and a curse” as he was trying to find his own voice outside of his father’s long shadow.
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“People might assume, ‘Oh, he must be a nepotism kid who was handed everything,’” says the 28-year-old Jakob, who got his start in the rock band LAW before forming the pop-leaning psych-rock solo group Jakobs Castle. “I mean, I’ve been toiling in obscurity for 10 years and haven’t had a big break yet, so I guess it doesn’t work as good as people thought it did!”
At long last, however, Jakob has decided to try on his father’s shoes, and is about to step into a much brighter spotlight. This week, Jakob will join his dad’s old bandmates, bassist Eric Wilson and drummer Bud Gaugh, on the main stage of the Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival, where he will lead a new incarnation of Sublime and sing his father’s biggest hits. It’s a huge home-state gig that will kick off a summer of festival performances, including Brightside Music Festival later this month and Point Break in June.
And while Coachella will mark just the second public performance featuring the younger Nowell alongside Wilson and Gaugh, if things go well, this refurbished Sublime could be playing major stages for years to come. Jakob refers to Wilson and Gaugh as the “uncles” that he would see from time to time while he was growing up; now, the combination of two of Sublime’s founding members and Bradley Nowell’s talented adult son could be a triumvirate that prolongs the band’s musical legacy.
“I never thought this would happen,” Wilson says, before adding with a laugh, “I never thought that Brad would have a son that sounds almost better than him.”
Considering the continued success of Sublime songs like “Santeria,” “What I Got,” “Badfish” and “Wrong Way” on streaming services and alternative radio more than a quarter-century after their release, a live version of the band with maximum authenticity could spell big business. Sublime’s music has been attracting sizable crowds for years, mostly through Sublime With Rome, the tribute act that long featured Wilson, at one point included Gaugh, and which is still operating today – somewhat to the consternation of the newly formed Sublime.
All three members acknowledge that seeing the word “Sublime” on the Coachella lineup, with zero asterisks or qualifiers, feels special. Ticket buyers, whether longtime fans who remember their ‘90s run or younger listeners discovering “Doin’ Time” via TikTok or Lana Del Rey’s Rock Airplay-topping 2019 cover, could feel the same way.
“This is a property that is extremely valuable,” says Joe Escalante, the longtime Vandals drummer now co-managing this version of Sublime. “Let’s make it more valuable, while the guys keep doing what they want to do.”
Still, Jakob wants to make it clear to the thousands watching him onstage with Wilson and Gaugh this summer, whether at Coachella or elsewhere: he is not Sublime, and he is not his father. “I’m so happy that something my family was part of has touched their lives, but I’m not going to be the second coming of their favorite singer,” he says. “What I’m doing is custodial work. I just want to keep the catalog alive.”
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As surprising as Sublime’s mainstream success became in the wake of Bradley Nowell’s death, it’s perhaps even more improbable that the band’s discography has transcended the 1990s alternative boom to remain commercially viable in the 2020s. After distinguishing themselves within the Long Beach scene in the early ‘90s thanks to Bradley Nowell’s laidback croon, the band’s daring storytelling and their playful-yet-edgy mix of genres, Sublime’s loyal following would turn up to their chaotic live shows and push for spins on KROQ. “The unique fusion of hip-hop, reggae, alternative and punk rock was transcendent in its time, and still is,” says Lisa Worden, senior VP of rock and alternative at iHeartMedia.
After signing to MCA Records, Sublime recorded their debut for the label in a haze of drugs in early 1996, and Nowell died in a San Francisco hotel room before the album reached record stores. As Wilson and Gaugh moved on to projects like Long Beach Dub Allstars, however, the hit singles that spun off of Sublime’s self-titled album kept enduring at alternative radio, and eventually started collecting millions of plays as the streaming era arrived. “Santeria” and “What I Got” have earned 949.3 million and 629.9 million respective U.S. on-demand streams to date, according to Luminate; “Doin’ Time” has also earned nine-figure streams (286 million), although Del Rey’s faithful cover of the song has earned even more (358 million). Meanwhile, Sublime’s songs are still sending FM listeners back to the nineties, with 74,000 total U.S. terrestrial radio plays in 2024 so far.
“A curious thing about these generational zeitgeist-defining artists is that they can be both a time machine as well as a time capsule for audiences of different generations,” says JP Alves, Spotify’s Artists & Labels Partnerships – Catalog lead. “They have an ability to reflect the spirit of their era that will forever appeal to those who lived through it, as well as entice those who didn’t. They become timeless bridges across generations, which is what I believe Sublime has ascended to.”
As the band’s music endured, Jakob Nowell wanted little to do with it. “I was always really hesitant to be involved with the Sublime stuff — I wasn’t sure if it was my place, and it’s a lot of scrutiny,” he explains.
Last year, while on tour with Jakobs Castle, he stopped by the Phoenix Theatre in Petaluma, where his father played his final show in May 1996. He saw Sublime tags on the wall, and stumbled upon a recovery meeting in one of the rooms; Jakob, who is seven years sober after battling addiction in his teen years, sat down and shared his life story with the meeting, “talking about living in a shadow and not being sure how to interface with it,” he says. Jakob thought about how he was 28 years old, the same age as his father when he passed away. A switch flipped in him that day — for the first time, he thought about picking up Bradley’s microphone. ”That moment made me think, ‘Okay, I can do this,’” Jakob says.
Meanwhile, Gaugh and Wilson had been contacted to participate in a benefit show for H.R., the leader of punk legends Bad Brains who was struggling with SUNCT (Short-lasting Unilateral Neuralgiform with Conjunctival injection and Tearing). Escalante, who had already been working with Wilson, got in touch with Jakob’s manager, the SoCal industry veteran Kevin Zinger, about the show, and a rehearsal was arranged between the surviving Sublime members and Bradley’s son, who had never played with them before.
“That first rehearsal — everybody walked in with a little bit of anxiety,” recalls Zinger, a show promoter in the ‘90s who made Sublime one of his go-to’s in San Diego. “And when they first hit the notes, you could see right away that there was an obvious connection with them all. I remember, they took a smoke break after the first hour and a half, and everybody’s looking at each other like, ‘This is really going down, and this is so cool.’”
When Sublime took the stage at the Teragram Ballroom in L.A. for the H.R. benefit show on Dec. 11, Jakob led Wilson and Gaugh through a nine-song set full of classics, ditching his shirt quickly and rolling through each guitar riff with ease. The puckish warmth in his voice resembled that of his father’s, but his delivery provided a new dimension, punctuating certain lyrics differently and breathing a youthful flair into the hits.
“They definitely got their own individualities,” says Gaugh when comparing Jakob’s performance style to his memories of Bradley. “There are some striking resemblances in terms of their mannerisms, though. Sometimes it’s f–king weird.”
Zinger says that the “phone was ringing off the hook” following the benefit show performance, with bookers sniffing out a fresh take on a proven formula. A long-standing relationship between Escalante and Goldenvoice CEO/president Paul Tollett landed Sublime on the Coachella lineup when it was announced in mid-January, with more festival dates set soon after. And while such a stage like Coachella, with such little public practice, could be seen as more daunting than a headlining show full of Sublime faithful, Escalante thinks the performance could play out like the reunited Blink-182’s set at Coachella 2023.
“Everyone there knew all the words to all of their songs, and we watched them triumph,” he says of Blink last year. “Even though people didn’t buy their tickets to see Sublime, music fans know the story, and they know the songs.”
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Part of the reason why everyone knows Sublime’s songs: another iteration of the band has been active on the road for over a decade.
In 2009, Wilson and Gaugh formed Sublime With Rome, a new outfit fronted by singer-songwriter and guitarist Rome Ramirez, which functioned as a Sublime tribute act with a loaded touring schedule and occasional studio output of original material. While Gaugh departed Sublime With Rome in 2011, Wilson was a mainstay with the group for over a decade, recording three albums with the group over the 2010s and providing the credibility of a real Sublime member in the lineup. Sublime With Rome was fairly popular outside of their shows, too: 2011’s Yours Truly scored a top 10 debut on the Billboard 200, and their original catalog registered 4.5 million U.S. streams last month, according to Luminate.
Weeks after the Coachella announcement, however, Wilson announced that he would no longer be part of Sublime With Rome, and would focus on playing with Jakob and Gaugh. “I was very much not into the SWR thing anymore — it felt like punching into a factory,” says Wilson, adding that the tribute group favored click tracks while he was in favor of a looser, jam-band atmosphere.
However, a source with knowledge of the situation says that Sublime With Rome was “blindsided” by Wilson’s departure — which came weeks before the group announced a lengthy tour that will run through the fall. Two days before Sublime takes the stage at Coachella, Sublime With Rome will kick off its own trek in Catoosa, Okla., and will likely perform several of the same songs as Sublime, in a 2,600-capacity venue.
The overlap between competing concurrent Sublime live incarnations is a situation that’s downright confusing, and which neither party seemingly wants to occur. While a rep for Sublime With Rome did not respond to a request for comment, a source confirms that Ramirez was interested in wrapping up Sublime With Rome at the end of 2025 and going forth with a solo career, following a headlining tour in 2024 and co-headlining run with another band planned for next year.
The 2024 dates were already on the books when Wilson pulled out of Sublime With Rome and united with Nowell and Gaugh – so now, those dates have been billed as a farewell tour, and the 2025 shows have been scrapped. (“If I could wave a magic wand and just turn those into Rome shows, I would,” Ramirez said in a March interview with Rolling Stone. “But the fact of the matter is, we have commitments that we’ve made to multiple people, from our fans, to the promoters, to, heck, even the legacy. We’ve made commitments, and we have to stick by them.”)
For Jakob, the situation is simple: Sublime belongs to original members Wilson and Gaugh, and they have the right to steer the band however they please. “It should be totally uncontroversial that two old friends want to play their songs with their friend’s son,” he says. As for Ramirez’s comments about Sublime with Rome’s commitment to the fans, Jakob says, “To me, that just seems like a lot of jive, a lot of sensationalism. There’s no big war, there’s no ill will that I have towards anybody. They played cover songs for a while, and put out music of their own, but Sublime With Rome was a separate entity.
Without Wilson and Gaugh involved, Jakob believes that Sublime With Rome cannot be the keepers of the flame for the original band. “They made so many people think they were Sublime,” Jakob continues. “No — Eric Wilson is Sublime, Bud Gaugh is Sublime, Bradley Nowell is Sublime. I’m not! I’m just his son, being asked to sing because I’m related to the guy. I’m not a replacement for him, no more than Rome is. If anything, you’d think he and I would have a lot more in common — talk about living in someone’s shadow your entire career. I have a big hill to try and climb over, and I’m sure that guy does, too. So if I were him, I’d be eager to move on to different pastures.”
Ultimately, Zinger says, this awkwardness will pass. Sublime With Rome will wind down over the next six months — a final album has been announced for a May 10 release, with the single “Love Is Dangerous” issued last week — and Sublime and Ramirez will continue in different trajectories.
“They wanted to do a farewell tour, and that’s what they’re doing,” Zinger says of Sublime With Rome. “Rome made his contribution to Sublime’s history, and I think this is a good way to end that chapter of their history, and start a new one.”
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Along with the Sublime With Rome weirdness, the band has also been tangled up in a battle with their former law firm, with a legal malpractice lawsuit filed by the band in February met with a countersuit alleging avoided legal bills in March. When he signed on to work with the band, Escalante says that, in general, “We spent a lot of time dealing with legal complaints, and everybody’s complaints that weren’t working with them anymore, and that is, for the most part, behind us.”
Meanwhile, coordinating schedules and touring opportunities is also a little tricky, considering Jakob’s solo touring commitments and the fact that Gaugh is a family man who lives in Reno, Nev. “When I was asked if I was interested in doing this, I was like, ‘This feels great, but first and foremost, my No. 1 title is dad,’” Gaugh, who has three children, explains. “I’m not jumping back on a tour bus anytime soon.”
So the three members have come to an understanding: any touring future will continue to consist of spot festival dates that make sense with their respective schedules, as demonstrated by their 2024 itinerary. Jakob will continue to tour and release music under the Jakobs Castle moniker, Wilson will have a looser schedule than he had when Sublime with Rome was on extended runs, and Gaugh can avoid the multi-week treks altogether. Everyone involved sounds comfortable playing Sublime’s touring plans by ear.
“As far as coming up with a 24-to-36-month strategic plan and optimizing blah blah blah, all that bulls–t is not happening,” Zinger says. Of course, that doesn’t mean that there won’t be opportunities in between tour dates: Escalante mentions a revitalized merch business for the band, as well as a biopic “that’s pretty close to being greenlit,” he says. And Wilson and Gaugh both hint at some early studio outtakes that the band could revisit and continue tinkering with for a future release — potentially with Jakob’s voice helping fill in the gaps that Bradley’s voice left behind, although nothing is finalized quite yet.
For Escalante, who remembers the Vandals palling around with Sublime decades ago, the complicating factors of the band’s current situation are justified by the fact that they’ve moved on from their drug-addled past into a relatively calm present. “I was around for the very, very beginning, and these guys were a mess 90% of the time,” he recalls. “If they were on a bill with the Vandals, I just assumed they weren’t coming.”
Now, he says, “This is nothing like that. Jakob is sober, and while Bud and Eric are not sober, as long as I’ve been involved, they haven’t been a problem, not like in the old days.” Everyone is aware of what’s at stake, Escalante says, and is on the same page as a result. “I’ve never been involved with anything where everything is working together so smoothly,” he says.
Regardless of how big this new Sublime becomes – and how much drama the band has had to endure to make it possible – Jakob is grateful for a situation he refers to as a “family reunion,” which has involved reconnecting with his musical uncles as well as his late father’s music. He wants to act like a professional, he says, and treat a show like the Coachella performance like a standard gig, but of course it’s a personal job. Through the rehearsals and preparation, Jakob has finally done the Sublime catalog deep dive, and found subtle messages from Bradley, that he believes only he could pick up.
“Whether it’s an inside joke, or recurring themes or characters, or even just the melodies, you get this beautiful tapestry,” says Jakob. “Through learning this material, it has become a way to get reacquainted with someone you never knew.”
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