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This week, Billboard is publishing a series of lists and articles celebrating the music of 20 years ago. Our 2003 Week continues here as we invite the creators behind one of the year’s most iconic indie rock songs — and one of our favorite ’03 deep cuts — Broken Social Scene’s “Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl,” to tell the story behind its humble beginnings and unlikely growth to true anthem status.
Park that car. Drop that phone. Sleep on the floor. Dream about me.
You’re probably familiar with those words in one way or another. Maybe you’ve heard them in a movie. Maybe you’ve bawled your eyes out to them. Maybe you’ve seen them in a meme. Maybe you have them tattooed on your body. Regardless of how trivial or meaningful the encounter was, if you’ve heard or seen them once over the past 20 years, chances are pretty good that they’ve stuck with you until now.
Those lyrics are repeated 13 times in a row to form the climax of “Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl,” one of many classic tracks that make up Broken Social Scene’s breakout second album, You Forgot It in People. Originally released in the band’s native Canada in 2002 and more widely reissued in 2003, the album announced the arrival of an unbelievably eclectic, stacked collective, the likes of which would dominate Toronto’s indie music scene for years to come.
At various moments on You Forgot It in People and BSS’ self-titled 2005 follow-up, you can hear members of Metric, Feist, Stars, Do Make Say Think, and Apostle of Hustle, to name just a sliver of the band’s overall constellation. “Anthems” itself features Metric’s Emily Haines and James Shaw, as well as the prolific Montreal-based violinist Jessica Moss, who’s played with Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Arcade Fire, A Silver Mt. Zion, and many others.
Fading in after the playful, wide-eyed “Pacific Theme,” the song kind of comes out of nowhere after You Forgot It in People’s rollicking first half. It’s an impressionist version of a tearful ballad, with wisps of banjo, guitar, tom-toms and vocals gradually locking step into a structure-averse buildup that peaks and then immediately dissolves into ghostly reverberations. The only entirely female-sung track on the album, “Anthems” is also a star-making turn for Haines, whose lyrics are cut-and-paste snapshots that exude fraught nostalgia, the likes of which would be snuffed out by extraneous words. It’s impossible to catch the song with your bare hands, but also impossible to walk away unmoved.
“Anthems” has spent the past two decades flitting between temporary and unlikely homes to form its lasting legacy. From hormonally charged AIM away messages to irreverent memes, from the Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World soundtrack to a Meryl Streep and Tracey Ullman guest appearance at a BSS show, from a cover by gothic indie-folk singer-songwriter Nicole Dollanganger to an interpolation by rapper/comedian Open Mike Eagle, this song means many different things to many different people. Somehow, a humble tune wafted out of a Toronto basement and into the lives of many. These days, Haines views “Anthems” as “A song that’s definitely achieved that thing that we all want a song to do – which is [to] outlive us all and welcome everybody in its own way with a life of its own.”
The song’s not the only enduring classic from the album — ”Lover’s Spit” in particular has been licensed for a litany of film and TV syncs, and also got some visibility from a name-drop in Lorde’s “Ribs.” But “Anthems” has a separate legacy that feels almost divorced from the group of artists that made it. In some ways – namely, its folky, twee melodrama – it is distinctively 2003. In others, it feels mysteriously timeless: it is specific but universal, comforting but opaque. Here is its story, as told by those artists, as well as a few key others.
In 2002, the original Broken Social Scene core of Kevin Drew and Brendan Canning were recruiting members for their second album. Their 2001 debut, Feel Good Lost, was a mostly instrumental affair, but they had a more adventurous, collaborative process in mind for this new material.
Brendan Canning (BSS Co-Founder, Bass on “Anthems”): Talented as Kevin and I may think we are, it’s great to have other people on base when you’re a band.
Kevin Drew (BSS Co-Founder, Keys and “Backwards Guitar” on “Anthems”): At that time, it was all about impressing each other and trying to keep up with whatever was happening in the room. I feel as if there was a freedom, but also an urgency. It was the wildest ride, just trying to have this completely different sonic perspective in the songs we were doing, and a completely different approach as well.
Canning: It’s not like there was any fake, “Okay guys, we’ve gotta make a pop song,” [direction]. It’s not an awkward conversation about band direction, everyone is able to communicate without having to talk about it. Everyone who plays in Broken Social Scene, past or present, has always communicated musically, and that’s why it worked. It’s not, ‘Okay everybody, The Strokes are really popular, so we gotta keep up with those guys.’
Charles Spearin (Vocal Effects on “Anthems”): There was some butting of heads in the studio, but most of us were just excited. I think the fact that the majority of us had other projects on the go meant we weren’t wholly invested with our egos in the project. There was a sense of just adding to the stew without getting too anxious about it, and that was really helpful. Kevin was really good at making people feel welcome and admired—it was almost like bringing somebody in was this admiration, just the sense like, “We really love what you do, can you come in and add to this mess that we’re making?”
John Crossingham (Banjo on “Anthems”): I initially joined as a drummer, but I really got a sense very quickly that it was very, very loose in terms of roles within the band. I was definitely intimidated. I was keenly aware of the fact that there were a lot of really good players in there. Justin Peroff was a much better drummer [than me], Andrew Whiteman and Charles Spearin were much better guitar players. I was like, ‘Okay, this is my chance to show my stuff and push myself to do better.’
Rehearsals began in Drew’s basement. On the day of “Anthems”’ conception, a typically eclectic group had assembled.
Canning: Myself, Justin Peroff, John Crossingham, Jimmy Shaw, Emily Haynes, and Jason Collette were in the basement. Kevin was upstairs while we were playing, and he came downstairs at one point and was like, “You guys sound like a bar band.” I was like, [disconcertedly] “All right.”
Drew: Yeah, I said, “It sounds like a bar band.” I’m sure that’s it. When Brendan tells the story, I always chuckle. Like, I was not there for the [actual creation of the] song.
Canning: We weren’t playing “Anthems” or anything [yet], that was more like the impetus to change what we were doing and play something different, just a subtle directorial direction. So I came up with a bassline and then everyone started playing it. Like, all of a sudden we have an idea that hopefully wasn’t like a bar band.
Emily Haines (Vocals on “Anthems”): I remember Canning just playing [imitates his delicately descending bassline] on the bass, and Jimmy came in with a riff, and I just went [sings] ‘Used to be one…’
Canning: I whispered a vocal motif to Emily. I whispered in her ear, something like, “Used to be one of the rotten ones and I liked you for that,” but maybe I didn’t have all those lyrics, and then she just took that and ran with it.
Drew: I remember coming back downstairs later and hearing what they were working on and thinking, ‘Okay, here we go. This is cool.’
Haines’ “Anthems” lyrics have become a frequent subject of interpretation, even within the band.
Canning: She took a few days, added some lyrics, next thing you know, you got the “bleaching your teeth, smiling flash, talking trash’ part.
Haines: The time that I wrote “Anthems” was one of the moments when Metric came back to Toronto from New York, a little hiatus. I remember walking around in the smallest leather jacket possible when it started getting cold—I remember actually writing [Metric’s] “IOU” the same way, just walking around. I guess when you’re so broke you can’t really go inside anywhere. So it was just like, “Uh, I guess I’ll walk around”’ I had been working on this melody and this idea of like, that pain of having to let go when you’re growing up and you’re moving on from being someone that you were.
Drew: [Emily] is one of my favorite lyricists. I found the simplicity of “Anthems” so haunting, lyric-wise, and that’s the power of Emily. The selection of her words was just perfect.
Emily Haines of Metric during Napster 2.0 Launch Celebration – Performances at House of Blues in West Hollywood, Calif.
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Haines: [It was] this tale of a lost kid, or someone who was about to go off to LA, maybe. I was definitely aware of the fact that something was ending. If you’re gonna be a super stubborn independent person like myself and want to change the industry at the same time as you’re trying to launch your band, you’re gonna have a bit of an uphill grind. So it’s not a sad thing, it was just the sense of “Oh man yeah, things are gonna change.”
Crossingham: It taps into that mysterious quality of being young and at odds with things. It’s opaque enough that you can put anything you want on it, but it’s specific enough in its emotion that you recognize what’s being intimated.
Haines: It’s funny because the idea of selling out or the idea of integrity was such a theme at the time, and now it’s not – I feel like you’d be hard pressed to even explain the concept to people. But there was definitely an element of that – “Bleaching your teeth, smiling, flash, talking trash under your breath.” Like the idea of, obviously there’s a depiction of someone that you don’t wanna be, and maybe that person already exists, or maybe that’s what not to become, but it’s such a throughline of the music from that time that I made.
Ryan Schreiber (Pitchfork founder and You Forgot It in People reviewer): [You Forgot It in People] is very much a coming-of-age record; almost all of its songs grapple with some degree of personal turmoil and self-discovery through tribulation. “Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl” is almost the centerpiece in that way; it’s the clearest distillation of the album’s broader theme – how growing up forces us to shed youthful ideals and pieces of our identity that once felt like they defined us in whole, and how, with enough remove, it can start to feel like that person you used to be no longer even exists.
Drew: There was a warm welcoming into what we all were trying to think about, which was, it’s okay to be lost, it’s okay to be an individual, it’s okay to get through all the angst that you’re coming out of as you become an adult – but still having so much baggage of youth and so much trauma of youth and so much joy of youth. I think it was the youth of that feeling that ended up being why I titled it the way that I did.
Haines: Kevin, who has such a gift for song titles – he named it “Anthems for Seventeen Year-Old Girl.” Which just made sense.
Drew: I felt that we were anthem makers, and not in a bombastic way, but in a way that music is there to take care of you. It’s there to make you not feel alone. It’s there to help describe how you’re feeling or to give you identity. When we were all together, in the basement. I felt like we were little anthem workers.
BSS recorded You Forgot It in People with local producer David Newfeld in his makeshift studio.
David Newfeld (Production on “Anthems”): For about three years, basically all I was doing was working on their stuff. “Anthems” was one of the first songs they did at my place.
Drew: [“Anthems”] was definitely one of the easier songs to do, and Newf took to it right away. He was already bringing us to a place that I had never been to before. It was such an education into sound, but not realizing that you were being educated.
Newfeld: They were hearing it after it was laid down, and it was funny, they were like, “This is too normal.”
Spearin: Everybody thought it was a little bit too pretty or a little bit too sweet, or something like that. So I took the vocals and ran it through some guitar pedals, and that’s how we ended up getting that [pitch-shifted] sound, which I think was super cool.
Drew: One of the things that [Charlie and I] loved doing the most was affecting [Emily’s] vocals, messing around with her sound.
Newfeld: At that point, I would never have dared do something like that, ‘cause they’re just mangling the shit out of [the vocals]. I’m like, “Oh okay, I didn’t know you could take those liberties, cool.”’ They’re like “Yeah, we’ve gotta make this f–king weirder.”
Crossingham: I had some E-bow type guitar parts in mind for “Anthems,” but Jamie’s guitar was already so dreamy and Emily’s vocal had the pitch effects, so it didn’t feel quite right. I got in my head that maybe a banjo would be cool. I was flying blind a little bit, but I found an open tuning that was in the key of the song. I just sat there for 40 minutes and wrote a part and felt pretty good about it and said, “Okay, let’s give it a shot.” When you listen to it, it’s quite tentative. It sounds like someone who isn’t a super confident banjo player, but it really suits the vibe of the song.
Newfeld: The other thing I really remember about that tune was that they wanted to bring in Jessica Moss to come in and play violin on it.
Jessica Moss (Violin on “Anthems”): Kevin was a friend at the time and I knew a few of the others, but it felt a bit like something weird and brave and unknown to do. I had really enjoyed [playing on Feel Good Lost], but I went back to Montreal and continued building my world here as Broken Social Scene was on the rise – and then in our world, Godspeed and Mount Zion were on the rise. It really felt like the difference between Montreal and Toronto was the difference between Godspeed and Social Scene. I don’t know anybody else actually who’s straddled both of them, lived in both worlds in the same way.
Drew: Charlie and I loved working with Jessica Moss. When she walked into the room, my whole spirit would be intimidated. She has this incredible way of bringing sadness and comfort into melody with violin. I had worked with her on three records, and I knew this had way more of a pop sensibility and I was a little bit afraid of that.
Moss: If you saw a description of Broken Social Scene written on paper and description of Godspeed written on paper, you would be like, “Yeah, that’s a similar kind of thing.” But I suppose at the time there were feelings of animosity and feelings of competition. In retrospect, like, what a load of bullshit, in some ways. In other parts, I still feel like our deeply held values are still my values.
Drew: The violin line that she plays, she just did it off the cuff. You never had to give Jessica direction.
Newfeld: She came into the studio one afternoon and she basically went, ‘All right, just play me the song. Let me hear how loud the headphones are. Okay, a little too quiet. Okay, put my violin in. Nah, that’s fine. Okay, just play the song and let me do takes.’ She did a few passes like that, and that’s what you hear. It was pretty damn cool at that time, ‘cause I was also working with some people that were not super talented and were total a–holes.
Drew: I don’t believe there’s ever a time when we would be recording her that I wasn’t just completely captivated by her. I’ve never worked with somebody that had such an immediate melodic understanding of what you’re presenting them and brought so much identity. The identity was melancholy to me ‘cause it’s a violin, but there was an honesty that was very intimidating about her musicianship – which, of course, when you’re scared or you’re intimidated, it’s an amazing place to be in art.
“Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl” is slotted as song seven of You Forgot It in People’s 13 tracks, smack-dab in the middle of the album.
Schreiber: Clearly, a lot of thought was put into the sequencing, production, and pacing of the album, and that goes a long way towards holding it together musically. It manages to sound like the product of one band, despite how its core players criss-cross genres and styles and swap vocal leads.
Crossingham: The thing that really works for “Anthems” for me is how — there’s examples of that all over the record — it’s a really excellent mixture of synthetic and organic instrumentation. It’s not a folk song, but it’s not quite a future-leaning indie ballad [either]. It’s got its own enigmatic character and every single piece of it coalesced in a pretty magic way.
Spearin: [“Anthems”] has a pop sensibility. All the songs did in their own way, for a band somewhat intentionally trying to shy away from pop structure – verse chorus, bridge, chorus, that kind of thing. We found a way to write pop music that totally eschewed your standard format. And that was something that I felt we were proud of and was a highlight for us.
Canning: Why would you hem yourself in with starting to second guess whether these songs fit together? F–king, I don’t know, you ever listen to The Beatles? They seem to make a lot of different ideas work all together. But you know, what did they know? That’s more of a modern curse.
After discovering the CD within the “boxes upon boxes of promos” he received at the Pitchfork mailbox, Schreiber awarded You Forgot It in People a 9.2 score in his glowing review on February 2, 2003.
Newfeld: At the time, Brendan and I were like, “Yeah, this track’s okay, but we’re really intrigued with some of the other ones we were working on”’ Whereas Charlie’s like “No, a lot of people are gonna like this.” I remember he felt strongly about that track. And then when it came out, there was the Pitchfork review, and it’s like, “I’m listening to the album, and then I get to track seven, and then there’s that song!”’ I’m like, “Holy shit, Charlie was right, a lot of people are gonna really dig this.”
Schreiber: You Forgot It in People was really the first record that indicated I was on the right track with that strategy [of digging through promos]. It’s an album I would never have discovered any other way. I remember doing a double-take about three or four tracks in, because there was absolutely nothing about the packaging, the band name, the label, or anything else that would have indicated what was encoded on that disc. I was completely floored by it on first listen, and that inspired me to keep digging through the rest of the stacks for other albums that might be flying under my radar. That process ultimately led to discoveries of music by Sufjan Stevens, M83, The Books, The Unicorns, and others.
Canning: With this album, we really established ourselves in such a significant way. It gave us all really good careers in music.
Broken Social Scene photographed on Feb. 27, 2003.
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Newfeld: They went from just an indie band in Toronto to suddenly a worldwide sensation, which definitely created a huge impression in Toronto itself. It was a real dynamic change. Before that, Canadians always looked at other parts of the world, like England or the United States, like that’s where the really happening stuff was, and us in Canada, we’re just observers in a backwater. I don’t wanna diss the scene too much, but I feel that when we got this project going and the album came out, it really sent the message that we can do our own thing and interpret popular music and come up with our own angle on it that’s valid in any country.
Haines: I remember how I felt at that time, before [Shaw and I] moved to LA. It was really early days and everyone was struggling, but also there was so much determination – certainly from me and Jimmy, where we were like, “Oh, we’re gonna do this.” We felt like we had to leave, and [BSS] felt like they could stay to achieve what they wanted to achieve. It’s totally different now in Canada, but in the late ‘90s, early 2000s, it really didn’t seem conceivable that you would be able to become an international entity without leaving Canada. But I’m so happy that now people realize they maybe don’t have to, things have changed enough.
Over the past 20 years, “Anthems” has remained a staple of BSS shows. As Haines has only sporadically toured with the group over the years, lead vocals have been handled by a rotating cast of members. Most of the time, Drew plays Moss’ violin part on a keyboard.
Drew: It’s humbling to have one of your most successful songs be one you didn’t write. That song just became such a warm duvet for so many that I’ve just spent the next 20 years trying to constantly honor it live every night. I love it and I love playing it every night – it’s a signature piece that must be played. We don’t have many must-be-played [songs] but we know that “Anthems” is such a comforting song for people who come out to the shows that it’s on the set every night.
Haines: I haven’t toured with [BSS] in forever, but whenever I do, “Anthems” is the peak of the set. There was one pretty intense instance where I was with Social Scene in 2017 in Europe.
Drew: We were in Manchester the day after the bombing at the Ariana Grande show. [Smiths guitarist] Johnny Marr was gonna come and play with us that night, but then he canceled because of everything that was going on.
Haines: I remember it was such a weird dilemma for [Kevin] because it was like, do you play the show or don’t you play the show?
Drew: I sent [Marr] a message saying, ‘Look, this is the song we’re gonna do now. We’re gonna open with this tune, and if you find it in your heart, come out.’ He called and said, ‘I’m coming.’ That was an iconic moment within the band, just due to the circumstances and the loss and the city, we were there when they were coming together. We weren’t sure what was going on. There was talk of martial law happening and all these things. And there we were, these Canadians who had this song, “Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl,” and we had James and Emily with us. We had the original writers in the room and it gave me shivers.
Haines: To just be saying those words, that it was this loss of life of all these literal 17-year-old girls, was just the strangest end of metaphor. The song seems to have many lives.
Drew: This song just constantly keeps giving back to us. It keeps giving us moments where it breaks down that barrier, it makes a connection to everyone. It’s the power of the tune.
Whether in Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World or a Spongebob meme, “Anthems” seems to consistently pop up where you’d least expect it.
Canning: There would be no “Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl” memes without Emily’s lyrics. That’s kind of meaningless, but at the same time, they’re lyrics that stuck around and still apply to this day. She was ahead of the curve with that, the conversation, “Oh, people are on their phones too much.’ That wasn’t really a thing.” I didn’t have a cell phone in 2002.
Crossingham: I literally just finished signing not one, but two different release forms for the use of that song in a TV show or film or whatever. It’s funny too, I posted something on my Instagram about how I was gonna finally play this banjo on stage for the 20th anniversary shows that we did in Toronto. And this friend of mine was like, “I had no idea you played on that song and that you played the banjo. Like, you’re a freaking legend. What the hell?”
Moss: I’d been talking to a few younger friends who had no idea that’s my violin on that song like, “What? I f–king love that song! I lived with that song on repeat when I was a teenager.” I just went to YouTube just to listen to it and as I was listening, I was scrolling through the comments and – oh my god, have you done that? There’s comments from 10 years ago and two months ago, like, “I’m 17 now” or “I was 20 when this happened and my mom died.” And actually if you keep reading down, it’s so sweet — ‘cause every once in a while someone says, “This has gotta be the sweetest place on the internet.” I think that’s so lovely.
Haines: It’s funny, you never really know what song it’s going to be, right? I don’t really compare it to anything in Metric. I just feel like “Anthems” is its own very cool universe, because it’s so well suited – given the nature of Social Scene and the rotating live performers – it’s just so suited to the Meryl Streeps of the world coming in for a cameo.
Drew: [Meryl Streep and Tracey Ullman’s guest performance] was two best friends having a really fun evening. It was an unscripted moment that we, as a band, spoke afterwards and said “What that was, stays what that was.” It was such a joyful moment that they shared with us, just two besties.
Canning: You just get lucky, right? You get lucky with a song and it continues to have a different life of its own and outside of the album. On any album, there’s gonna be one song, [even] To Pimp a Butterfly—in another 10 years from now, what are gonna be the big songs that are gonna be remembered from that record? Or what about like, SZA’s last record? You can only be very grateful for the fact that your songs are still being considered and talked about in the conversation of popular music.
Crossingham: It’s an example of how, if you’re allowed to have that moment to be creative, you don’t know what effect a couple hours’ worth of work is gonna have. If you’re a musician, you do that kind of thing hundreds of times over in many different situations, but that one particular, the way everything fell together turned out beautifully. It’s one of the least-planned out and least fretted over and least massaged into form things I’ve ever done, which does really say something, right?
Drew: There’s been magical moments of all different kinds of people singing it and different moments of when we played it. I’m indebted to that moment in the basement where they all came up with something that in the end has been nothing but an honor to play.
On release night for The Record, the celebrated debut album from supergroup boygenius, the band can hardly contain their excitement. “I”m so f–king stoked,” says Phoebe Bridgers.
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Julien Baker adds that though she’s a bit overstimulated, “I’m trying to let it be bliss.” She then speaks to Bridgers directly, excitedly telling her of the text messages she’s received from former bandmates The Star Killers — alerting her how it was 10 years ago to the day that they released their first DIY record on a small Memphis label.
“Are you f–king kidding me?” replies Bridgers, with a cartoonish gasp.
“I almost started crying because it’s been 10 years of me trying to make music with friends and people who care about me, and it’s cool to still be doing it,” continues Baker. “I don’t want it to be a glory-esque, ‘We made it!’ type thing — it’s more complex of a feeling than that. It’s that I still love this in the same way that I did at that moment.”
It’s that exact love — for their craft and one another — that unites boygenius. It informed much of the supertrio’s widely acclaimed 2018 self-titled debut EP and is undoubtably what threads its first full-length together. “I hope that the ethos of our band and relationship is infectious to people,” says Bridgers. “And just seeing that it pays off when you make offerings to each other,” adds Lucy Dacus, saying that part of the magic of this band is that as three musicians with thriving solo careers, they each want to carve out the time to make music together.
And when they do, the results are unmatched by any of them solo. The Record (released March 31 on Interscope) debuts at No. 4 on this week’s Billboard 200 (dated April 15), the highest-charting entry on the tally for any of the members. It also enters at No. 1 on Billboard‘s Vinyl Albums chart, with the format accounting for 67% of the album’s overall first-week units.
“We were told, if we were lucky, maybe we were going to break top 10. And then it was, actually, maybe we could break top five. And the fact that it’s [No. 4] is cool,” says Dacus, noting that Bridgers was the one to tell them during band practice. “We celebrated by playing the songs.”
Ahead, the band will keep the celebration going with a Coachella set and tour that, according to Dacus, is “at a scale none of us have done before” — and that Baker can only tease as “rock and roll.”
Below, Bridgers, Baker and Dacus discuss the joy of uncomplicated love and why everyone – not least of all themselves — are so obsessed with boygenius.
The fandom surrounding this band is palpable. What do you think drives it?
Lucy: I think since a lot of the boygenius fans are fans of the three of us they have been following along separately and maybe understand that we had to carve out the time for this. I think people know this is a rarity and that there’s no guarantee that it’ll continue. Like, we will continue to be boygenius and be friends, but we also will get back to our own things. So I think people have this awareness that to be present with it now is really to be existing in a moment. We demand presence from each other and I think our fans feel very present with the work and that is a feeling that feels harder to come by as you get older — not to be a Boomer.
You previously talked about some nerves over who was going to bring up becoming a band again. Between then and now, did any anxieties ever creep in?
Dacus: We’ve been holding the idea of this for two and half years — of course there’s been anxiety around it. We’re all people that experience anxiety. But even despite hiccups, I think overall I would still say that it’s been smooth sailing. Because we all still like each other, we all still like the thing.
Bridgers: We got a bad review that made it seem because we have a great relationship with each other, there is no complexity to it. What a way to live. There’s more complexity in this relationship than any relationship in my life.
Dacus: I have a hard time talking about it to other people.
Baker: Totally.
Dacus: Because people can’t relate.
Baker: It’s stupid to have people not be willing to perceive that people can love each other uncomplicatedly, like it must be untrue.
Bridgers: It must be Oasis or fake. And Oasis is fake, that fighting was fake.
Baker: And getting back to the writing, so much of the record is in conversation with each other.
Bridgers: But we’re so f–king spoiled. The reviews have been amazing. We worked really hard and it’s great.
Dacus: I love to stretch my humility with you guys.
Bridgers: I have no humility about this band. I’m just like, “Yeah it’s tight,” or f–k off.
Dacus: Maybe we are annoying.
Baker: We are.
Bridgers: Fuck yeah.
Phoebe you’re now a label boss with your Dead Oceans imprint Saddest Factory. When you were taking label meetings for Boygenius, did you ever consider signing the band?
Bridgers: I think we all wanted a new experience. And also it’s very important that we’re equals — so it’d be weird to have an extra line — which is why we didn’t even sign to any of our labels that we’re signed to. And it has been a f–king treat to be having a first experience with these dudes.
How did you celebrate the release?
Dacus: We [went] to Sound City where we recorded the EP, and we haven’t been back there together since then, and [we listened] to the record in full with a couple people who worked on it and just got in our feels.
The Record sold especially well on vinyl. Why was it important to have the format available on release date?
Dacus: We know that our fans are excitable people, like us. And so having it available when it came out, just felt like a momentous occasion. And I’m a vinyl person too. I think we all have favorite record stores. So we try to do stuff to keep those alive when we can.
During the writing process, was there a specific lyric or song you were all especially excited to share with one another?
Baker: I’m trying to think of a song that I didn’t want to send y’all…
Dacus: I do remember showing “Leonard Cohen” to Phoebe and Julien and Phoebe just like, making this face like, “F–k you.”
Bridgers: Like, “Hey, I wrote you a song,” and it’s just a f–king roast.
Baker: You getting dragged.
Dacus: I’m sorry. I literally call Phoebe an idiot in the song.
Bridgers: You’re making eye contact with me being like, [singing] “You are an idiot.”
What’s the most tattooable lyric on the album?
Bridgers: Oh my god.
Dacus: “I wanna be happy.”
Baker: I was gonna say that.
Bridgers: That’s tight, that’s hella tight. I think that is going to be the climax of the record, and it being the last huge moment that happens. Just the arch of the album, with the singles, and then ending there at the revisiting of our EP — I don’t know, it makes me emotional as f–k.
Baker: It makes me emotional, because it’s you revisiting unhealthy thoughts [and] being coaxed into potential and awareness of possibility for being happy.
Dacus: My girlie exhibiting growth.
The Foo Fighters are a month away from returning to the stage for the first time since the shocking death of drummer Taylor Hawkins last March and on Wednesday (April 12) they gave fans something more to get excited about with a snippet of a new song.
The unnamed track was posted to the group’s socials and though it is only 12 seconds of instrumental rocking, it features the Foos’ classic mix of thundering drums and stadium-ready, air-punching guitar energy. The surprise drop didn’t provide any additional information about the song or where it will end up, but it was accompanied by the question, “are you thinking what I’m thinking?”
While the world has no idea what the Foos are thinking at the moment, fellow rocker Jack Black had a quick response, “I think so.”
Apart from announcing 25 U.S. and European festival and headliner dates for this summer and fall, the band has kept a tight lid on their plans to solider on without Hawkins. To date they have not announced who will replace the energetic, beloved timekeeper whose death at 50 while on tour in South America devastated the group and their fans. It was unclear at press time who plays drums on the track, what it is called or when it will be released; a spokesperson for the group had not returned a request for additional details at press time.
The band already has one of the greatest drummers in rock history in the fold in singer/guitarist Dave Grohl, but speculation about who will fill Hawkins’ seat has run rampant since the veteran rockers announced their plans to return to the road.
The upcoming outing is slated to kick off on May 24 with a show at the Bank of New Hampshire Pavilion in Gilford, NH and is currently expected to keep them on the road through an October 5 show at the Don Haskins Center in El Paso, TX. Just this week the band added a headliner slot at this fall’s Ohana Festival at Doheny State Beach alongside the Killers, The Chicks, HAIM, Father John Misty and more. They also added six more dates to their tour roster this week with summer and fall shows in Spokane, Salt Lake City, Lake Tahoe, Virginia Beach, Phoenix and El Paso.
The band’s most recent album was the groove-influenced 2021 release Medicine at Midnight.
Check out the Foos’ post below.
After postponing a planned reunion tour due to drummer Travis Barker‘s finger injuries, the reunited classic line-up of Blink-182 will debut on Friday (April 14) on the first night of this year’s Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival. The schedule for this year’s fest was revealed on the event’s Instagram on Thursday morning (April 13) with the caption “Take off your pants and jacket,” which is, of course, a reference to the cheeky title of Blink’s 2001 fourth album of the same name.
The group fronted by singer/bassist Mark Hoppus and returning member guitarist/singer Tom DeLonge is slated to take the Sahara stage for a 6:45 dinnertime slot, sandwiched between Vintage Culture and followed by Jamie Jones on the stage that will be closed out that night by Metro Boomin’.
The slot is the first show by the reunited lineup since they announced they were welcoming DeLonge back into the fold for a third time after the Angels & Airwaves leader split the band in 2015; he had also previously left the group in 2005, before returning in 2009 and then leaving again six years later.
Blink had plotted a South American swing to mark their get-back with DeLonge, which was slated to kick off on March 11 in Tijuana, Mexico. But Barker injured his ring finger twice in two months, requiring surgery that pushed back their return.
Barker first injured the finger on Feb. 7 during rehearsals for the pop-punk trio’s tour. “I was playing the drums at rehearsals yesterday and I smashed my finger so hard I dislocated it and tore the ligaments,” Barker tweeted on Feb. 8. Then, on Feb. 20, Barker shared an Instagram Story in which he showed off his swollen, bruised knuckle, captioning the image “again.”
Hoppus, Barker and DeLonge announced in October that they were reuniting the band’s classic lineup for the 2023-24 world tour and then released the new single “Edging” late last year. On Christmas Eve, DeLonge teased that the trio were working on “the best album we’ve ever made.”
Friday night’s Coachella lineup will also feature the Chemical Brothers, Kaytranada, Burna Boy, Gorillaz and Bad Bunny and another last-minute addition, British singer/songwriter James Blake, who will play the Do Lab stage at 8:30 p.m.
Check out the Friday night Coachella lineup below.
We live in interesting times. Need proof? Look no further than the multiple lives of Metallica’s “Master of Puppets.”
The track, which tips in at eight minutes and 30-odd seconds, arrived fully formed in 1986, a time when a new breed of cheesy music was dominating the sales charts and hair metal was growing unchecked.
The title track from Metallica’s third studio album feels like an extension of the band’s opus “One,” a thrash-metal monster that could be used as a device to destroy enemies.
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That’s exactly what happened when Eddie Munson wielded his guitar and unleashed fury in one unforgettable moment in Stranger Things. So unforgettable, “Master Of Puppets” caught fire on DSPs and the track became a bonafide hit, along the way cracking the top 40 of the Billboard Hot 100 chart for the first time.
The Bay Arena metal legends are residents this week on Jimmy Kimmel Live. After performing new cut “Lux Æterna” on Monday, then The Black Album number “Holier Than Thou”, the four-piece hammered out “Master Of Puppets” in full on Wednesday. It’s apparently the longest song ever performed on Kimmel’s late-night TV show. If you don’t find yourself throwing horns and your head, call the doctor.
On night one, frontman James Hetfield said syncing the song to Stranger Things was an easy decision to make, and that he’s “blown away” that it still turns people on. “It’s like a nine-minute heavy metal song from 1986 that probably predates most of these people by 25, 30 years,” drummer Lars Ulrich added. “It’s just insane. Who would have thought?”
The Rock And Roll Hall of Fame-inducted band’s four-night stand is a celebration of their forthcoming 12th studio album, 72 Seasons, due out Friday (April 14).
Watch the performance below.
The National unveiled a music video for “Your Mind Is Not Your Friend,” their new single with Phoebe Bridgers, on Wednesday (April 12).
On the track, Matt Berninger and the Punisher singer harmonize as they intone, “Don’t you understand?/ Your mind is not your friend again/ It takes you by the hand/ And leaves you nowhere/ You are like a child/ You’re gonna flip your lid again/ Don’t you understand?/ Your mind is not your friend” on the wistful chorus.
In an interview with Hanuman Welch on Apple Music 1, the frontman explained how the collab came together, saying, “This one came later in the phase when I was kind of climbing out of a long phase of writer’s block and depression and just kind of self-disgust. I didn’t even want to write or think about myself for a long time, and my wife was repeating to me over the course of that long period, telling me that ‘This is just a phase. This is not really you.’”
Berninger also praised Bridgers’ contribution to the final product, adding, “I kind of felt like it needed that presence of another voice or another person, and Phoebe jumped in. She was just perfect for that. And because her voice is just such a tender just warm hug, and so it added that sort of dimension to it, which was crucial for it to work.”
“Your Mind Is Not Your Friend” follows “Tropic Morning News,” “New Order T-Shirt” and “Eucalyptus” as the fourth single from The National’s latest album First Two Pages of Frankenstein. Bridgers, meanwhile, just released Boygenius’ The Record with pals and bandmates Julien Baker and Lucy Dacus and will join Taylor Swift next month as an opener on The Eras Tour.
Watch the music video for “Your Mind Is Not Your Friend” below.
Melanie Martinez and boygenius snag the top debuts on Billboard’s rock and alternative album charts dated April 15.
Martinez’s Portals opens at No. 1 on both Top Rock & Alternative Albums and Top Alternative Albums thanks to 142,000 equivalent album units earned, according to Luminate. Of that sum, 99,000 units are via album sales, while 42,000 come from streaming units, with the remaining 1,000 from track equivalent albums.
The sales and streaming counts are the best for any album on Top Rock & Alternative Albums in 2023.
Martinez notches her first No. 1 on the chart since it shifted to a model allowing for alternative-leaning albums not necessarily within the rock genre. On Top Alternative Albums, Portals becomes her third ruler, following K-12 in 2019 and Cry Baby in 2015.
On the all-genre Billboard 200, Portals starts at No. 2, Martinez’s best rank, surpassing the No. 3 debut and peak of K-12. She also earns her first leader on Top Album Sales.
Meanwhile, boygenius – the rock group consisting of Julien Baker, Phoebe Bridgers and Lucy Dacus – starts at No. 1 on Top Rock Albums with its debut full-length The Record. It snagged 67,000 units, with 53,000 from album sales and 14,000 from streaming units.
The Record is boygenius’ first Top Rock Albums leader as well as the first No. 1 visit for any of the individual band members on the list. Baker boasted the previous best, with 2021’s Little Oblivions having debuted and peaked at No. 4.
The trio’s LP also starts at No. 2 on Top Rock & Alternative Albums and Top Alternative Albums, behind Martinez, as well as No. 1 on Americana/Folk Albums. Baker previous led the lattermost list with Little Oblivions.
On Vinyl Albums, The Record launches at No. 1 with 45,000 vinyl copies sold.
Both albums spur multiple appearances on the multi-metric Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart, paced by Martinez’s “Void,” which vaults 40-5 in its second week on the tally. In the March 31-April 6 tracking week, “Void” earned 8.7 million official U.S. streams and 100,000 radio audience impressions and sold 1,000 downloads. The former count gets Martinez onto the all-format Streaming Songs list for the first time, at No. 42.
In all, 13 Martinez songs reach Hot Rock & Alternative Songs, with the top debut of the group being “The Contortionist” at No. 10 (5.4 million streams).
Boygenius, meanwhile, sports four appearances on Hot Rock & Alternative Songs, led by “Not Strong Enough” at No. 33 (2.1 million streams, 952,000 audience impressions, 1,000 sold). “Strong” also rises into the top 10 of Adult Alternative Airplay at No. 10, marking the threesome’s first top 10, and 40-36 on Alternative Airplay.
Disney+ dropped the trailer for The Muppets Mayhem on Wednesday (April 12) featuring appearances by Lil Nas X, Tommy Lee and more.
The teaser kicks off with a parade of famous faces praising Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem for their influence and place in rock history in the style of a retrospective documentary. “The Mayhem? They taught Mötley Crüe how to shred and party!” Lee exclaims in a confessional. “They tattooed their name on me when I was passed out! What?”
“I grew up idolizing Dr. Teeth,” adds Lil Nas X. “I bought gold grills just to be like him!”
However, there’s just one problem: In their nearly 50 years together, the Muppets band never recorded a single album. Cue the entrance of Lilly Singh as an ambitious exec from the fictional Wax Town Records, who’s determined to help Dr. Teeth, Janice, Animal, Floyd Pepper, Zoot and Lips finally record their long-awaited debut.
“How ’bout a hot music collab, huh?” she suggests, trotting the likes of Zedd, Deadmau5 and Kesha into the studio to work with the band. From there, mayhem ensues — whether it’s Animal going viral on TikTok, Janice discovering the power of a ring light or Dr. Teeth accidentally starting a feud with the many fandoms of pop music with a single rogue tweet.
The Muppets Mayhem also stars Tahj Mowry and Saara Chaudry with guest appearances by everyone from Paula Abdul, Steve Aoki and Sofia Carson to Chris Stapleton, Ziggy Marley, Ryan Seacrest and more. All 10 episodes are slated to hit Disney+ on May 10.
Watch the trailer for The Muppets Mayhem below.
Missed out on seeing Machine Gun Kelly on tour? Fans now have the next best thing, as the rock star’s Cleveland stop of his Mainstream Sellout Tour will be coming to theaters next month.
Machine Gun Kelly: Mainstream Sellout Live from Cleveland: The Pink Era will follow Kelly as he performs a sold out concert at the FirstEnergy Stadium on Aug. 13, 2022. Directed by Sam Cahill, who helmed Kelly’s Hulu documentary Life in Pink, the film will see the star performing tracks such as “Bloody Valentine,” “Lonely,” “El Diablo,” “My Ex’s Best Friend,” “Till I Die,” “I Think I’m Okay,” and more. The film will also feature behind the scenes moments and likely a few cameos from the celebrities who joined Machine Gun Kelly onstage during the show (Avril Lavigne, Travis Barker, Willow, Trippie Redd).
“Machine Gun Kelly’s remarkable journey from Cleveland to meteoric superstardom and back to where it all began gives us an unfiltered look at the emotion and rawness of coming home,” Kymberli Frueh, svp of programming and content acquisitions for Trafalgar Releasing, said in a statement. “We are so lucky that this moment was captured so it can be shared with fans across the globe.”
Machine Gun Kelly: Mainstream Sellout Live From Cleveland: The Pink Era will be in theaters for one night only on May 13. Theater locations and tickets are available at MainstreamSelloutMovie.com.
Watch the trailer above.
John Mayer is speaking out about one of his much talked-about songs. At a recent concert, the 45-year-old singer-guitarist conceded that his 2013 track “Paper Doll” — widely believed to have been written about Taylor Swift — may have come from a slightly angry place.
“I wonder if people don’t like it because it sounds a little pissed off,” he told his crowd at Golden 1 Center in Sacramento, Calif., while nonchalantly strumming on his guitar during the stop on his Solo acoustic tour. “I don’t really like ‘pissed off’ as a song. I think it was more [about] hurt.”
“Is there something about it that’s a little b-tchy?” he continued. “There might be. I try not to give b-tchiness in the songs, it happens sometimes. I guess I don’t do it very well — sarcastic b-tch — but I didn’t really see it. I guess it is sort of a little bit like, ‘Meehhh.’”
Since its release, the public has generally believed that “Paper Doll” was written about the pop superstar. Swift and the “Your Body is Wonderland” singer dated briefly in 2009 when she was 19 years old, and afterward seemed to sing about the breakup in her Speak Now ballad “Dear John.”
“I’ll look back and regret how I ignored when they said ‘run as fast as you can,’” Swift sings on the track, which Mayer later called “cheap songwriting” in an interview.
So, when Mayer sang about someone who was “22 girls in one, and none of them know what they’re runnin’ from” on “Paper Doll,” fans thought he was shading Swift. And now that she and Joe Alwyn have reportedly split after six years, some Swifties think the timing of Mayer’s performance of the song might have been a little pointed.
“You know who the real enemy here is? John Mayer….Guy literally played Paper Doll on the day of the breakup rumours,” tweeted one Swiftie, while another wrote that his song choice was “filling me with rage.”
The “New Light” singer did, however, say in a 2019 Instagram Live that “Paper Doll” actually wasn’t about the person that “100% of people” believed to be the song’s inspiration. “The person they thought it was about brought a certain amount of superficial pop culture back-and-forth about it. But the song was not about that person, and I could never tell anybody that’s not true because then I would be breaking my rule that songwriters don’t say who their songs are about or not about.”
This isn’t the first time Mayer has turned heads by performing a song linked to Swift on his ongoing acoustic tour. In March, he performed “Half of My Heart,” a duet originally recorded with the 33-year-old singer-songwriter, for the first time in years that fans could recall.
Watch Mayer discuss “Paper Doll” in a fan-captured video below: