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PinkPantheress on Transcending TikTok Stardom

“I don’t go on TikTok,” says PinkPantheress when asked whom she pegs as future TikTok stars. It’s surprising, to say the least. Few musicians have utilized the platform as expertly as she has over the past three years. What started out as a bet with a friend to prove she could crack its algorithm — “I told her I could make a viral video if I wanted to. And then I did,” she remembers — wound up launching what has turned out to be a fruitful career IRL.

“Once I figured out the algorithm, I was like, ‘Well, surely this would be able to blow up the music, too,’ ” she says. The 22-year-old English musician (who goes by various pseudonyms in lieu of her real name) is sitting in a midsize meeting room at the 1 Hotel in Brooklyn’s DUMBO neighborhood, where the décor — black leather, bare metal and treated wood everywhere — is working hard to make nature feel modern, but she looks effortlessly cool in baggy denim and a comfortable tank top. She’s polite and cordial, even though it’s clear she would rather be doing anything but an interview. “I was like, ‘Well, I might as well just try and see what happens. And even if I don’t get anyone listening to it, at least it’s out there and not just stuck on my laptop.’ ”

The songs that were hiding out on her laptop quickly found an audience. Her brand of drum’n’bass-meets-’90s pop/R&B tapped right into the heart of the zeitgeist, resonating with a generation of kids who don’t know life before the internet, smartphones and social networks but are downright tickled by the idea of a more analog lifestyle.

“When I posted my first song, people were commenting saying it was really good. And I saw people using the sound — like 200 uses in a day or something,” PinkPantheress says. “At that point I was like, ‘Wow, this is crazy.’ Imagine you have a song that you didn’t think anyone was going to listen to, to suddenly way more people than you expected listening to it.”

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Uploaded three years ago on Christmas Day, the song was the Michael Jackson-sampling “Just a Waste,” and it showcased what has become her trademark style: throwing a disco ball drenched in despair into a blender to create something deceptively fun. But while PinkPantheress loves sampling, she’s weary of relying on its easy pleasures. “I always like to think that I’m adding something to [the sample], which is, like, relevant enough that suddenly it’s a new song. I just think too many songs these days are just an interpolation,” she says.

With hordes of new fans clamoring for more, PinkPantheress uploaded “Pain” in January 2021, a song that would have fit in perfectly with the Euro alt-pop invasion of the late 1990s. At only a minute and 39 seconds long, it’s really more of a ditty than a song — but manages to perfectly convey forlorn teenage love.

“Just a Waste” and “Pain” showcased a young, gifted songwriter, one who could succinctly capture and clearly telegraph universal feelings to make listeners feel as if she might be reading their DMs. Early on, unrequited love dominated her music. The feeling of “having someone that you’ve always wanted to see romantically but you’ve never managed to be able to and stuff like that,” she says. Now that she’s getting more famous, though, her music may soon have a more optimistic glint. “I guess the more I create music, the less I want to be stuck in that world.”

Born in Bath, England, to a Black Kenyan mother and a white British father, PinkPantheress was raised in Kent with her older brother. She took to music at an early age, learning to play piano and forming a rock band with a few friends while in grammar school. She spent most of her free time watching music videos and interviews on YouTube. By the time she got to college, she started making electronic music and experimenting with musical software to create her own productions.

To try out her songs, she wrote and produced for her friend MaZz. “I think, objectively, the songs were good songs,” PinkPantheress says. “She was kind of the [voice] and face for my writing.” But, like many talented songwriters, PinkPantheress soon “wanted more control over how I sounded.” She registered for SoundCloud under the name of her favorite Steve Martin movie and began uploading songs.

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Nothing caught on — but when she took to TikTok in December 2020, seemingly overnight, she became an indie pop darling. “Pain” broke onto the U.K. Singles chart in August 2021 and peaked at No. 35. Later that year, she signed a deal with Parlophone and Elektra Records and released her first mixtape, To Hell With It. As booking offers came in for PinkPantheress — who had yet to perform live — her management at Upclose took things slowly, opting for smaller shows that allowed her to build an audience rather than going for festival stages.

“I remember my first few shows after my mixtape was out at the end of 2021 and [my management] were making me do rooms of like 100 people and 150 people,” she recalls. “The biggest room I did was probably 800. I remember thinking, ‘Why are these rooms so small?’ ”

“It has been superintentional,” says Jesse Gassongo-Alexander, PinkPantheress’ co-manager, when asked about helping her build a fan base after finding so much success online. “It was always a case of putting in the hard work and taking the slower route to build a foundation that is solid that’s going to allow her to stay here for a while.”

Her story resembles that of another young female artist who managed to parlay massive online success into real-world results: rapper Ice Spice. On paper, PinkPantheress and Ice Spice may seem like photo negatives of each other — one’s a brash rapper from the Bronx who has no problem putting herself in the spotlight; the other’s an introverted singer who prefers the solitary pursuit of songwriting to industry glad-handing — but to PinkPantheress, they’re more alike than different. So much so that she offered Ice a spot on the remix to her hit song, “Boy’s a liar Pt. 2,” earlier this year.

“I feel like I don’t have that many peers that exist in a similar space to me,” she says. “I’m not talking about levels. I’m talking about internet space. I think a lot of people see me as being this, like, internet cutesy teen-pop girl. I feel like she was one of the newcomers whom I got drawn to because, even though she does drill and rap, it still feels like she’s in the same cutesy world to me. And she’s Black too, and that was a big important part of it to me. I prefer to collaborate with other Black artists.”

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The song became an instant hit, her biggest so far, debuting at No. 14 on the Billboard Hot 100 after going viral on TikTok. For many in the United States, “Boy’s a liar Pt. 2” was the first time they had heard PinkPantheress. It got her her first BET Award nominations (best collaboration, BET Her Award), landed her an MTV Video Music Awards nod (best new artist) and ultimately peaked at No. 3.

Many believe she’s a lock for her first Grammy nomination thanks to the song — if she had to guess, probably for best pop duo/group performance. She’s taken aback and amused when told about the drama that has surrounded the Grammy Awards’ classification of certain albums by Black artists — even more so when she learns how disappointed Justin Bieber was when his album Changes got the nod for best pop vocal album instead of best R&B album.

But even without a Grammy nomination, she can count this year as an unequivocal success. In addition to her biggest single yet, she appeared on Barbie: The Album — as good an “I’ve arrived” moment as any. But still, even as her career explodes, it’s surprising to hear that TikTok has taken a back seat.

“I didn’t leave it behind. I still post on it,” she says reassuringly. “I love using it to post my own videos, but I do not watch videos on there. Because like a year ago, I would scroll and I’d see too many TikToks about me. I was like, ‘I can’t do this anymore.’ ”

Makes sense. Her management team trusts her to make the best decisions for herself. “I think she has shown how globally intelligent she is by being one of the earlier trendsetters,” Gassongo-Alexander says. “Coming from TikTok and appealing to a wider audience and then knowing how to retain that wider audience.”

How does PinkPantheress plan to keep growing that audience? By keeping on keeping on, it seems. She’s uninterested in sacrificing her core audience at the altar of pop stardom. Thankfully, her music is naturally easy on pop fan ears. “What I’ve realized is that my natural way of writing is more pop-friendly than anything,” she says. “So even though the beats can be kind of alternative, I still write in a very standard structure. And I make sure all the lyrics are tangible. And because of that, I think that it has made the [music] that I’m doing very accessible to mainstream audiences. But my biggest fear is having people hear me do a [song] and recognize that I’m doing it for the wrong reasons.”

This story will appear in the Oct. 7, 2023, issue of Billboard.

Old Dominion Accelerates With Arena Tour, New Album ‘Memory Lane’: ‘We’re Trying to Build a Whole Culture’

Even before the reigning CMA vocal group of the year country quintet Old Dominion had inked its label deal with Sony Music Nashville in 2015, the group’s songwriting prowess and well-honed onstage showmanship had attracted the attention of country superstar Kenny Chesney.

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Seated at Nashville’s Morris Higham Management, who manages both acts, Old Dominion lead vocalist/guitarist Matthew Ramsey recalls the first of the band’s career-elevating, stadium concert-opening stints for Chesney, not long after signing their label deal.

“San Francisco 49ers Stadium,” Ramsey says. “I remember I had my AC 15, playing a stadium stage with this little barely working, crappy amp that I had pretty much moved to Nashville with. We played the show and someone told our tour manager, ‘You need to get your crew to get your gear off the stage a little faster.’ And he’s like, ‘What crew? We don’t have anybody.’ And from that moment they were like, ‘We got you.’ The generosity of his whole team is incredible. And it became the beginning of this.”

‘This’ is more than a decade in which Old Dominion’s members have established themselves as hit writers behind hit songs for Chesney, Craig Morgan, Chris Young and other artists, but also as purveyors of their own hits, including their debut single “Break Up With Him,” the dreamy, romantic “One Man Band” and the liquor-fueled, post-breakup kiss-off “On a Boat that Day.” They’ve earned seven Billboard Country Airplay No. 1 hits, won five CMA vocal group of the year honors (they are the reigning winners in the category and up for the same honor this year) and six ACM group of the year statues, while also scoring a Grammy nomination and two Top Country Albums chart-toppers.

With the group’s new album, Memory Lane, out Friday (Oct. 6), band members Ramsey, Brad Tursi, Trevor Rosen, Geoff Sprung and Whit Sellers aim to add to their chart-topping status.

Along the way, Old Dominion has also painstakingly built a reputation as one of country music’s leading live acts. They’ve now joined Chesney’s tours five times — more than any other artist — and have long progressed from filling clubs to selling out arenas, including on the fall leg of their headlining No Bad Vibes 2023 tour, which includes stops at Grand Rapids, Michigan’s Van Andel Arena, Boston’s TD Garden, Los Angeles’ Crypto.com Arena and Nashville’s Bridgestone Arena.



Just weeks into the tour, the onstage spontaneity hammered out from years of road-dogging and playing gigs ranging from clubs to stadiums is readily apparent.

The band recently shared footage and photos of heart-tugging audience interactions from the tour on social media. During one show, Old Dominion aided in an audience member’s baby gender reveal, and later welcomed a woman who had been battling cancer to join them onstage to sing a song from their fan-favorite album Meow Mix. During another show, the group welcomed a young boy onstage to sing with the band.

“At the time, we didn’t realize his full story,” Ramsey says. “We found out later that he had some hearing impairment problems that he had overcome, and it was pretty cool to have him onstage. The same night as the gender reveal, was the night that the woman who was battling cancer just wanted to sing ‘Meow Mix’ with us, so we’re meowing and crying at the same time.”

“No matter what venue we are playing, we try to make it as intimate as possible,” says bassist/vocalist Sprung. “We just try to be authentically us, and when we see moments like that that show us our music is affecting somebody, it’s pretty great.”

Their approach to making albums has progressed, too. While their early albums were crafted piecemeal, slotting in recording sessions between tour dates, they took a different approach with their 2022 project Time, Tequila and Therapy, decamping to Asheville, North Carolina and steeping themselves in writing and recording.

They brought that same mindset into Memory Lane, including spending four days in Key West to focus on writing (which resulted in two of the album’s songs, “Ain’t Got a Worry” and “Easier Said With Rum”).
“We don’t have to feel like we have to make it sound like a radio hit,” Tursi says. “We can explore a lot of different things if we want to throw a steel guitar and we chase the song wherever it takes us and there’s just no worry about where it ends up.”

That ethos rings true on their new album. Sonically, Memory Lane ranges from the remorseful “Both Sides of the Bed,” to the vivid swirl of lyrics on “Different About You,” such as “Don’t nobody want to be the yellow Starburst/Everybody reaching for the cherry first.”

“I have a good friend who works with inner-city, underprivileged kids and she became attached to this one young girl, [who] was dating a guy who wasn’t abusing her or anything, but she wasn’t getting the love and affirmation she needed. And she had said, ‘I don’t want to be your yellow Starburst.’ I knew exactly what she meant, and I wrote it down. Sometimes a whole song just hinges on one line.”



Another album track, the free-spirited “Some Horses,” marks the first song Old Dominion has ever recorded that they didn’t have a hand in writing (the song comes courtesy of two of the band’s longtime musical collaborators, Matt Jenkins and writer-producer Shane McAnally). But the group has been familiar with the song for more than a decade.

“They wrote it back when we were just trying to all struggle and be successful songwriters, playing writer’s rounds and things,” Ramsey says. “It was written in third person, but one day, I was talking with Trevor about songs we loved and that song came up. Then I was at home the morning before we went into the studio to work on the album and I started playing the song and just changed it to first person, because I identified with it so much more. We talked to Shane and texted Matt and said, ‘Do you mind if we change the song a bit?’ They said ‘yes’ and we gave it a shot.”

Old Dominion has been judicious with its collaborations on record, featuring soul icon Gladys Knight on Time, Tequila & Therapy, and fellow country music group Little Big Town on the Happy Endings album. With Memory Lane, it enlists “Tennessee Orange” hitmaker and Sony labelmate Megan Moroney for “Can’t Break Up Now.” The tart ballad, the group’s new single, debuted at No. 54 on the Country Airplay chart. It follows the album’s first single, the title track, which peaked at No. 4 on Country Airplay.



“We had that song for probably three years now,” says Ramsey, who wrote “Can’t Break Up Now” with Rosen, Tofer Brown and Emily Weisband. “We talked about what kind of partner we would want in that — there was a million ideas and we never could quite land on one that we agreed on really. Then Megan shows up with ‘Tennessee Orange.’ She’s such a unique voice and so confident in who she is at this early stage in her career. It just seemed like the right fit. Luckily, she was interested in recording it.”

Elsewhere, Blake Shelton joins on “Ain’t Got a Worry.” “He’s been telling us that we’re his favorite band for years and years and years,” says lead guitarist/vocalist Tursi with a sly grin. “He finally was like, ‘You guys, let’s do a song together’ — so we sent him a few things and he liked that one. We happened to be in the same studio at Ocean Way [in Nashville], recording some other songs, so we hopped over and he sang the vocal.”

With the release of Memory Lane, the band is ready to introduce new songs into their live shows, bolstering their already deep catalog of hits with a new batch to further expand the ties between artist and audience.

“It’s like how Jimmy Buffett built his world and Kenny built his world,” says Ramsey. “We’re trying to build a whole culture when fans come to our shows.”

New Video Of Tupac Shakur at MGM Grand Shows His Large Crew

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A new video from the night that Tupac Shakur was shot has surfaced, showing the rapper heading out of the MGM Grand casino with a massive crowd.

A Las Vegas-area news network obtained never-before-seen surveillance footage of Tupac Shakur after his fight with Orlando Anderson on September 7, 1996, at the MGM Grand Casino. The video is different from the one that has already been publicized and has surfaced due to the arrest and indictment of Duane “Keffe D” Davis in connection with Shakur’s murder that night. Anderson was Davis’ nephew and a member of a rival gang to the Mob Piru, a gang Shakur had been affiliated with.

The 27-year-old surveillance video shows Tupac Shakur and Marion “Suge” Knight after the moments where Shakur along with others assaulted Anderson in the casino’s lobby. The video captures a visibly angered Shakur walking out of the casino along with Knight and a huge crowd of other people heading out behind them. The video features several zoomed-in shots of Shakur as he departed.

The incident would take place shortly before Tupac Shakur and Suge Knight left in a BMW sedan. They would be confronted by Davis along with two other men at the intersection of Flamingo Road and Koval Lane, a block off of the Las Vegas Strip where Deandre Smith, who was in the backseat, opened fire on them. Davis has gone on record as saying he was in the passenger seat and handed Smith the firearm. Both Smith and Anderson are now deceased.

According to Clark County officials, despite Davis’ claims that he wasn’t the man who shot and killed Shakur, he can still be charged with the murder itself for aiding and abetting. Davis is set to appear in court on Wednesday (October 4th). Suge Knight was contacted by TMZ at the California penitentiary about the situation and said he wouldn’t testify in the case. “I’m not going to get on the stand and testify, for what?”, he said.



Ranking Every Song in Drake’s ‘AM to PM’ Series

After the release of Drake’s “8 AM in Charlotte,” Billboard takes a look at Drake’s celebrated timestamp series.

During the wee hours of the morning (Oct. 5), Drake posted a six-minute video on Instagram titled “8 AM in Charlotte.” 

For 6 God enthusiasts, this latest release is a callback to Drake’s revered “AM to PM” series. Dating back to its first entry back in 2010, “9 AM in Dallas,” over the years, Drake has feasted on instrumentals and delivered no-hook records, flexing his muscles and voicing his frustrations — often with specific (and much buzzed-about) targets in mind. Though these songs have been few and far between, and often not officially released to streaming services (at least not at first), they serve as blockbuster moments in Drake’s catalog and are ranked very high among his best moments by longtime fans.

While some of his timestamp records would eventually find their way onto projects a la “6 PM in New York” or “7 AM in Bridle Path,” others would fall unexpectedly from the sky and cause immense impact upon arrival. In this case, “8 AM in Charlotte” comes on the eve of his upcoming album For All the Dogs — which is supposed to finally be dropping at midnight tonight, after several false starts and delays, and while Drake in in the midst of wrapping up the final dates his It’s All a Blur Tour alongside Her Loss partner 21 Savage.

Bellow, Billboard ranks all six songs in Drake’s “AM to PM” series below.

Disclaimer: Though some fans consider “Do Not Disturb” as “7 AM in Germany” we didn’t include it, simply because it’s not the official name of the song.

Sam Smith Wants Copyright Accusers to Repay $700K Legal Bill After Failed Lawsuit

After successfully defeating a lawsuit that claimed they ripped off their 2019 hit “Dancing With a Stranger” from an earlier song, Sam Smith and Normani are now demanding that their accuser reimburse their legal bills – a whopping total of $732,202.

In a ruling last month, a federal judge rejected allegations that Smith and Normani had copied a little-known 2015 song of the same name when they released “Dancing,” one of Smith’s top-charting hits that peaked at No. 7 on the Hot 100 chart.

Now, Smith and Normani say they shouldn’t be forced to foot the bill for a “frivolous and unreasonable” lawsuit.

“Defective copyright infringement claims, like Plaintiff’s claims here, burden the court, cause potentially damaging negative publicity for recording artists … and others, and force needless attorney’s fees on them,” wrote attorney Peter Anderson, who reps the two stars in a Sept 22 court filing. “Awarding attorney’s fees here will deter plaintiff and others from filing and blindly prosecuting such claims without anything close to the required factual and legal basis.”

The case against Smith and Normani was filed last year by songwriters Jordan Vincent, Christopher Miranda and Rosco Banlaoi, who claimed that “Dancing” was “strikingly similar” to their 2015 same-named track. In their complaint, they said it was “beyond any real doubt” that the song had been copied.

But last month, U.S. District Judge Wesley L. Hsu said it was, in fact, very much in doubt. Granting Smith and Normani’s motion for an immediate ruling ending the lawsuit, the judge said the songs simply were not similar – and he criticized the plaintiffs for manipulating them to make them appear more alike.

“Permitting copyright plaintiffs to prevail … by rotating chords, recalibrating the tempo, and altering the pitch of a defendant’s song so that it sounds more similar to the plaintiffs’ would lead courts to deem substantially similar two vastly dissimilar musical compositions,” Judge Hsu wrote at the time.

Unlike most forms of litigation, winners in copyright lawsuits are often able to legally recover the money they spent on lawyers fighting the case. Judges grant such requests in cases where a lawsuit shouldn’t have been filed, and they can serve as a powerful deterrent against future questionable lawsuits.

In their filing asking Hsu to order Vincent, Miranda and Banlaoi to reimburse them, Smith and Normani said the songwriters’ case had been exactly the kind of pointless lawsuit that needs to be deterred.

“Plaintiff sought to monopolize unprotectable elements that are common property to all,” Anderson wrote. “Claims like Plaintiff’s here threaten to cheat the public domain and curtail the creation of new works.”

As for the total, the pair of stars said they had incurred a whopping $732,202 bill for the services of Anderson and other lawyers from the top firm Davis Wright Tremaine who defended them. That figure was “below the median hourly rates” of similar elite copyright lawyers, they said, and they were “perfectly justified” in racking up big bills on a case that was demanding all of the profits from a a multi-platinum hit song.

Ray J Trends For Bagging EVERYONE, X Users Discuss The West Coast Legend

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Ray J was hailed a legend by none other than Vince Staples eight years ago in a moment that will live on forever, and others have also supported the Long Beach rapper’s statements. Ray J saw his name trending on X Thursday morning after fans on the platform discussed the certified West Coast legend for his personality and antics.

Ray J, real name William Ray Norwood Jr., has seemingly done it all over the course of his still-ongoing career. The current trending moment for the singer and reality television star came when an X user posted an image of Norwood alongside Pamela Anderson split with an image of him sitting next to Joan Rivers.

That same user re-quoted their own X share with a video from The Real with Jackee Harry admitting that she and Ray got it in before.

From there, another user made mention of Ray J’s beef with Bobby Brown and how he brought Karrine Steffans into the mix.

“I’ll never forget when Ray J was beefing with Bobby Brown he called Supahead and asked her if he was there, and after she confirmed he was, he told her to let him know he f*cked both his b*tches now after f*cking Whitney Houston AND dropped one of the best r&b diss tracks ever,” wrote @pretty_yunique on an X thread, using the artwork for the All I Feel album.

She added, “This song makes me understand why Ray J was somehow able to convince n*ggas to let his character take Brianna virginity after Arnez waited ALL THEM GODD*MN YEARS.”

Following the trending topic shows fans on X discussing the fact Ray J continues to dominate the news cycle after the infamous Kim Kardashian sex tape leak and beyond, while also cosigning Vince Staples’ assessment of Ray’s status. Check out the aforementioned video below.



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Mike Bahía and Greeicy Share the En Vivo Stage for “One Night, One Love” Showcase

Back for another year, Billboard Latin Music Week launched at the Faena Forum on South Beach with a promising lineup of exclusive panels and intimate industry hitmaker showcases. To kick things off, badge holders and industry insiders enjoyed daytime discussions before heading to the Faena Theatre across Collins Ave for a sizzling “One Night, One Love” En Vivo performance by Mike Bahía and Greeicy, presented by Michelob ULTRA.

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As the sun set, the Faena Theatre transformed into a vibrant red and blue oasis, with Michelob ULTRA, our presenting sponsor, complementing the live entertainment with the cool, refreshing taste of their premium beer.

Before the beloved Colombian couple took the spotlight, local Miami DJ, Negra Fabulosa set the stage on fire, building anticipation with hits that kept the room buzzing. Partygoers savored complimentary Michelob ULTRAs, danced to the beats, and snapped selfies at the ULTRA ribbon photo booth, all reminding us that “It’s Only Worth It If You Enjoy It.”

Mike Bahía kicked off the night with a bang, belting out crowd favorites like “De Qué Manera” and “Detente.” Then, Greeicy took over for a mini-set, treating the audience to her hits including “Espejo” and “Te Creí.” 

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The room lit up as the couple displayed their joy in creating music together – not just professionally but through their personal connection as a married couple. The two stars united on stage for a captivating performance of “Si Tu Amor,” “Mi Pecaito,” and “Esta Noche,” before concluding the intimate evening with the sensational “Amantes.” Their family beamed with pride from the audience, and fans were swept away by their undeniable chemistry.

How David Byrne Brought a ‘Radical,’ Politically Timely Musical to Broadway

David Byrne may not be able to see into the future, but he’s certainly lived a creative life that’s ahead of the curve.

Rewind back to 1979. By the time mainstream radio was catching up to the nervy new wave of bands like the Talking Heads, frontman Byrne was pushing the group to incorporate African polyrhythms into their palette — several years before other rockers followed suit. Not long after, the act’s final trek (immortalized in Jonathan Demme’s 1984 concert doc Stop Making Sense) demonstrated the broader visual possibilities of major tours, decades before that became de rigueur in the industry.

Now, a year after his acclaimed Broadway residency wrapped, Byrne is back on the Great White Way with the Fatboy Slim collaboration Here Lies Love. Based on the real-life story of Filipino First Lady Imelda Marcos and her husband’s brutal dictatorship, the musical unfurls the story of a fib-friendly autocrat who gradually dismantles a democracy while demonizing the press and blaming their sins on the opposition. Sound familiar? Well, Here Lies Love wasn’t crafted as a reflection of current times. Eerily enough, Byrne debuted an early version of the prescient project as far back as 2006; that song cycle morphed into a 2010 concept album and an off-Broadway production in 2013 before finding its way to New York City’s Broadway Theatre this fall.

Regardless, the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer insists crystal balls weren’t consulted in the creation of this musical. “I didn’t see all of it coming, everything that’s happened in the last 10, 12, 15 years since I started working on this,” Byrne tells Billboard, while noting, “I saw it happening in other parts of the world.”

Even so, he just may be offering audiences a peek into Broadway’s future. Working with director Alex Timbers, the convention-averse artist is reimagining what it means to be a Broadway audience member with Here Lies Love. While some viewers have traditional seats, theatergoers with floor access are immersed in a constantly shifting, club-themed experience. A rotating stage, live video projectors and a mobile cast prevent anyone with floor tickets from standing still for very long – fitting for a restless creator who’s spent his nearly half-century career moving forward.

I saw Here Lies Love at the Public Theater during its initial NYC run a decade ago. I walked out thinking, “God, that must have been awful to live through.” At the time, it seemed so separate from our American experience.

And here we are!

I actually cried when I left the theater, realizing how familiar the world of the play now felt. I know you started this project in 2006. Did you see all of what’s happened in America coming way back then?

I didn’t see all of it coming, everything that’s happened in the last 10, 12, 15 years since I started working on this. I saw it happening in other parts of the world. At some point I knew the People Power Revolution was a big inspiration for the Colour Revolution in Tunisia, the revolution in Ukraine. They ousted a dictator, more or less, and they were very much inspired by the Philippine example. But now we’re talking the United States and some other places as well, Israel. Whoa, here we go. It really strikes home and becomes extra moving. I can’t say I had much to do with that.

Was recent history the impetus for bringing it to Broadway, or was that always the end goal?

We always hoped we’d find a more permanent home for it. The other runs were really short. Whether it was Broadway or some warehouse somewhere, we hoped we’d find another place or it — Broadway being really good because people know where that is. People are like, “I feel safe going to a Broadway show” rather than some warehouse in Brooklyn. It took a long time – a lot of dead ends, various theater owners dangling a place and then, last minute, yanking it away.

Well, it’s an unusual production and I’m sure it’s a risky investment.

(laughs) The theater owner basically has to take out all their orchestra seats. They have to commit to all that.

How many theaters did you approach before the Broadway Theatre finally gave this the greenlight?

I seem to recall having at least three other theaters in the past 10 years where we thought, “they wanna do it, we’re gonna move ahead.” David Korins, the set designer, would draw up a set of plans — which is not cheap to do — then they would go, “Oh, we’re gonna put something else in there.” It took some convincing: we had to show them how it could be done, we had to get the capacity high enough so that the income was quite a bit more than it was at the Public Theater. Once we got that it was like, “Let’s give it a try.” To be honest, I think COVID helped us out. There were so many theaters that were closed. I think theater owners just thought, “We’re paying rent and taxes on these places, we gotta get something in there.”

Do you think your success with American Utopia helped you have any Broadway clout?

Maybe. I’m not sure but maybe. People now kind of associate my name with something else they’ve seen on Broadway so they think, “He knows that world, he can do that world.” Maybe.

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Shervin Lainez

You’ve written a book called How Music Works that, in part, addresses the business of music. With a couple of Broadway productions under your belt, are you beginning to understand the business of Broadway?

Like the music industry, part of it is frustratingly opaque. How do you figure my percentage based on this, that and the other? It’s like trying to figure out what you’re owed from streaming. But Broadway has a completely different set of rules and thank God I have lawyers and other people to help me figure out and untangle that stuff and negotiate on my behalf. It’s really complicated, the structure of the deals on Broadway. Some of it kind of makes sense in that it’s structured so the investors get a trickle of payback even before it’s gone into profit, otherwise they’d be out of pocket for months and months. For ambitious playwrights or people who want to do music things in theaters like that, I wish it was simpler: It would open it up to a younger demographic and more emerging artists whether they’re writers, directors, musicians, whatever.

When I saw it at the Public Theater, a reprise of “Here Lies Love” served as the final song. When this play first hit Broadway, that was cut, ending the show on a more somber note. Was that done to emphasize the stakes we’re in?

It was. It was also done because we thought, “We want to be careful not to end with a song that celebrates Imelda.” But you’re right, so many audience members said, “What happened to the sing-along at the end?” So now we’ve brought it back. It’s technically not part of the show proper, it’s the curtain call, but we’ve brought it back. People feel like, “okay, we had our cry,” which happens to me every time as well, and then this big communal sing-along.

You started working on this a while ago. What was it about Imelda that compelled you to tell this story?

I’m old enough that I remember her as being this larger than life, flamboyant, outrageous personality in the news, at clubs, at social things, all that stuff. I also had this idea of doing a music show in a dance club so an audience could be dancing while they’re getting a story rather than sitting passively in seats. When I saw that she loved going to dance clubs — she turned the roof of the palace in Manila into a dance club, she had a mirror ball installed in her New York townhouse, and not many of us do that (laughs) — I thought, “wait a minute, she lives as much as she can in that environment: dancing, sparkling lights.” I thought, “Maybe her story needs to be told using the idea I had.” I spent a long time doing research and I went to the Philippines and asked people, “Here’s the story I’ve come up with — what do you think?”

Did you talk to folks who knew her?

Oh yeah. Many people knew her or met her. She’s incredibly charismatic, they said. One woman in the Philippines had no idea what I’d written, but sat down next to me and said, “Imelda was never poor.” And I thought, “Whoa, okay.” But I knew Imelda, like other public figures and politicians we know, will change her story depending on who she thinks the audience is. To one audience, she’ll tell the story of how she was poor and so she understands what your life feels like. To somebody else, she’s a society lady.

You did American Utopia and now this — are you thinking about doing more on Broadway?

I don’t have any plans right now. Right now, I’m asking myself, musically, what do I want to do next. I don’t think I can go back and just do an ordinary tour. The American Utopia tour we thought of as a radically different way of doing concerts. Now, I think, I’m stuck — that’s where the bar is set. You have to come up with something radically different again.

I suppose that’s a way to draw attention to new albums, which can sometimes seem to fly under the radar these days.

There’s that hope — with live performance you can draw attention to some of the music. I can see doing another album. I write songs, it’s part of what I do, but I have to keep asking myself, “What would be a really exciting thing to see?” I don’t have an answer to that. Setting up drums and amps and playing songs again feels, “You’ve raised the bar a little higher than that.”

Speaking of raising the bar, Stop Making Sense just got a 40th anniversary re-release from A24. Do you feel some joy looking back on it, or are you simply not interested in reliving the past?

I don’t like to relive the past but I’m really proud of what we did. I’ve seen screenings of the film recently looking at the print and IMAX print and it is kind of amazing what we did at that time. I think it holds up really well. So I’m happy to celebrate that. A24 is doing an incredible job. That’s all pretty good.

With the band reuniting to discuss the film’s anniversary, I keep hearing people ask about a reunion tour. I always say, “I would bet good money against a Talking Heads reunion tour.” Is that a bet I would win?

I think that’s a bet you’d win. We’re all really happy drawing attention to this film, this moment in our history and how it holds up and this new print and introducing it to a new — we hope — younger audience. But no, that doesn’t extend to, “Now we’re gonna do a reunion tour.”

You have a distinct singing style, but with Here Lies Love you’re writing for other voices. Did you have to change your process?

I loved writing in styles that, to me, seem like not my typical singing style. “This is what this character would do.” To hear that realized is exciting. There are some of the actors, I’ve been told, who modeled their vocal approach on my demos, which is very flattering. [The other] night one of the actors knew I was in the audience and threw in a little “same as it ever was” into one of their songs. (laughs)

What do you hope people ultimately take away from Here Lies Love?

We’ve talked about the politics — it gives you a kind of sobering bit of realism of what can happen and what is happening around the world — but a big message of hope when you see that the Philippine people peacefully ousted a dictator. It’s an amazing, hopeful moment to hold up as like, “Look, this can be done.” Because the show is so radical in the way it reimagines how to stage something, I’m hoping that other people don’t copy this show but that they rethink what a show can be. It doesn’t have to be done the same way over and over again. [A Broadway play is] not a dream I ever had since I was a teenager: I wanted to be in a rock band. But I also saw a lot of downtown theater that really inspired me and that was an inspiration for Stop Making Sense. I kept thinking, “Oh, there’s ways to do things on stage and tell stories in a certain way that Stop Making Sense tells a story as well.” So sometimes, you may find yourself (laughs) in some place you really didn’t expect to be.

Sexyy Red Sex Tape Leaks On IG, X Chimes In While She’s Heartbroken

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A day after Sexyy Red professed her (sort of) undying support for Donald Trump, the St. Louis rapper was once again trending on social media for all the wrong reasons as she apparently leaked her own sex tape.

This past Wednesday night (October 4), followers of Red were shocked when the “Pound Town” rapper posted a pretty explicit video on her IG stories that seemed to be Red getting her pound town on forreal and social media blew it’s gasket. Many of her fans immediately took to X (formerly known as Twitter) to express their disbelief, shock, and of course some very comedic commentary and posts.

Of course, the video was taken down not too long after it was posted as someone must’ve brought the matter to Red’s attention ASAP, but the damage was done and she was the topic of discussion on social media all night long.

Naturally, Sexyy took to her X page to let everyone know that it wasn’t her who posted the content saying “I’m so heartbroken anybody that kno me knows I wouldn’t do no goofy sht like that.” 

Well, that’s one way to get Donald Trump’s attention, that’s for sure. Just sayin.’

Whether or not she accidentally posted that clip or someone did her dirty is anyone’s guess, but it happened and social media is on the case with their thoughts and it’s been stirring up debates about consent, and lewd jokes.

Check out some of the reactions to Sexyy Red’s leaked sex tape below and let us know your thoughts on the incident in the comments section.

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Seven20 & AYITA Form The Circuit Group, With Focus on Turning Artist IP Into Biz Opportunities

Two groups of artist managers have come together to form The Circuit Group, a new entity that will create business opportunities around artists’ intellectual property.

Founded by Dean and Jessica Wilson of Seven20 — whose clients include deadmau5 — along with Brett Fischer, David Gray and Harvey Tadman of AYITA — clients include Chris Lake and Fisher — The Circuit Group plans to acquire 50% ownership in artists’ IP portfolios and partner with them to build opportunities across verticals, along with offering traditional artist management.

By acquiring up to 50% of an artist’s song catalog, The Circuit Group intends to create immediate revenue for artists, while encouraging them to work alongside the company to create additional opportunities around the IP in recorded music, publishing, merchandise, brand deals, gaming, events, Web3, new music technologies and more.

The Circuit Group already holds master and publishing rights to more 3,000 songs. The current roster includes electronic artists including deadmau5, Chris Lake, FISHER, HoneyLuv, NERO and Ninajirachi.

“The engine at the center of everything in the music business is the song,” said Dean Wilson, The Circuit Group CEO and co-founder and deadmau5′ longtime manager. “At The Circuit Group, we are building a network of businesses around IP, putting artists’ creativity at the center and engaging and sustaining them over the long term. This ensures that artists continue to share in every revenue stream available to them and ultimately gives them more control over their destinies than traditional business models have offered them.”

“I’ve worked with artists for nearly 20 years,” adds Circuit Group co-founder Fischer. “What’s being built at Circuit is exciting because we get to really push the limits on each artist’s business and get them the credit they deserve.”

The Circuit Group has offices in Los Angeles, Miami and London.