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All the Latin AMA Performances, Ranked

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One thing you cannot say about the 2024 Latin AMAs, which aired live last night on the Univision network, is that they lacked guts. Beyond its 21 performances on the evening, the awards featured many up and coming acts, as well as a group of hosts that included two music stars, Thalia and Becky G. Perrhaps most interestingly, these hosts spoke in both English and Spanish, making this the first Latin music award in memory that was fully bilingual.

While we definitely appreciate the effort — and while we get Becky G’s much-touted 200% concept (as in, she is 100% American and 100% Latina) — the mix of Spanish and English sounded just too pat or downright forced. Yes, many of us do Spanglish, but because it comes naturally, not because someone made us do it.

Still, we have to applaud the willingness to experiment — which leads us to the performances themselves. When you feature 21 performances in a single evening, it’s a lot to digest, and also, a lot of quality to maintain. The challenge is bigger considering that many of these performances featured multiple acts simultaneously on stage. This took a lot of choreography. Still, the Latin AMAs managed to do an excellent job of keeping the pace flowing and the show moving at a fast clip — and in terms of staging and production, many of the performances were very pared down and simpler than, say, the Latin Grammys.

That didn’t detract from the show. On the contrary, it was refreshing to see acts like Marc Anthony and Morat simply perform and deliver without all the bells and whistles. However, in a sea of 21 performances, encompassing a huge range of genres, ages and styles, some things were definitely more compelling than others.

Here are all 21 performances, ranked from our least to most favorite.

NewJeans Hit the Beach, Blow Bubbles and Live Their Best Pop Live in Effervescent ‘Bubble Gum’ Video

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NewJeans get down to some classic pop group hijinks in the new video for their effervescent single “Bubble Gum.” The K-pop girl group comprised of members MINJI, HANNI, DANIELLE, HAERIN and HYEIN put together a perfectly manicured fun weekend hang in the clip directed by Youngeum Lee that dropped on Friday (April 26).

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In the latest preview from the quintet’s upcoming double single album How Sweet — a two-track offering due out on May 24 featuring “Bubble Gum” and the title song — fans get to see the women relaxing for the camera while engaging in the time-honored tradition of making a band seem more like a high school clique of besties than a K-pop juggernaut.

The action begins in a van, naturally, where the women blow bubble gum bubbles and weave friendship bracelets as the summery, hang-loose track builds. The rest is a montage of the five playing marbles in their apartment, where they make balloon animals and play with soap bubbles, eventually making their way to the beach for some more bubble blowing, wave frolicking and, yes, even more bubble action via bubble guns.

It’s a lot of bubbles, to be honest.

The trip ends with them packing back into the van, grooving along to the song’s laid-back beat and then running through the night with flashlights while, of course, blowing bubbles.

The two-song follow-up to NewJeans’ Jan. 2023 single album, OMG, will be followed by another single album on June 21, Supernatural, which will mark the band’s official debut in Japan; that one will feature the title track along with “Right Now” and two instrumental tracks.

To celebrate their Japanese debut, the group will host a two-day fanmeet concert, on June 26-27.

Watch the “Bubble Gum” video below.



Green Day Earns 13th Alternative Airplay No. 1 With ‘Dilemma’

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Green Day’s 13th No. 1 on Billboard’s Alternative Airplay chart comes courtesy of “Dilemma,” which rises to the top of the May 4-dated tally.

Green Day first ruled Alternative Airplay with its premiere entry, “Longview,” for a week in June 1994, marking the first of the band’s two No. 1s that year; “Basket Case” paced the field for five weeks two months later.

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The trio takes over sole possession of the second-most rulers in the Alternative Airplay chart’s 35-year history, breaking out of a tie with Foo Fighters and Linkin Park.

Most No. 1s, Alternative Airplay:

  • 15, Red Hot Chili Peppers
  • 13, Green Day
  • 12, Foo Fighters
  • 12, Linkin Park
  • 11, Cage the Elephant
  • 10, Twenty One Pilots
  • 8, U2
  • 8, Weezer
  • 7, The Black Keys
  • 7, Imagine Dragons

“Dilemma” is Green Day’s first No. 1 since “Oh Yeah!” reigned for a week in April 2020. In between the two, the band hit No. 28 with “Pollyanna” in 2021, followed “The American Dream Is Killing Me” (No. 2, last November).

Concurrently, “Dilemma” leads Mainstream Rock Airplay for a second week. It also tops the all-rock-format, audience-based Rock & Alternative Airplay chart for a fifth week with 8 million audience impressions, up 1%, April 19-25, according to Luminate.

On the most recently published multimetric Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart (dated April 27, covering data April 12-18), “Dilemma” ranked at No. 45, a new high. In addition to its radio airplay, the song earned 307,000 official U.S. streams in that span.

“Dilemma” is the second single, following “The American Dream Is Killing Me,” from Saviors, Green Day’s 14th studio set. It debuted at No. 1 on the Top Rock & Alternative Albums chart dated Feb. 3 and has earned 108,000 equivalent album units to date.

All Billboard charts dated May 4 will update on Billboard.com Tuesday, April 30.

Killer Mike Recruits Offset for Blxst-Assisted ‘Exit 9’ Remix: Listen

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Killer Mike has his foot on the gas pedal in 2024, carrying the momentum from his three Grammy wins earlier this year. He gave one of his Michael standout tracks a mini-makeover on Friday (April 26), as an extended remix of “Exit 9” arrived featuring a new verse from the 49-year-old Atlanta rapper and a guest appearance by Offset.

The Migos rhymer steals the show while reflecting on those he’s lost along his journey with a contemplative verse: “Grandma died, I wish I could go back and get time/ Ayy, and I can’t live with no regrets/ VVS on my neck and I will kill for my respect/ I done ran it up and now I’m finally out of debt.”

As he’s cruising down the highway before taking “Exit 9” toward Martin Luther King Jr. Drive, Killer Mike detours to add a handful of bars to the remix, which finds him paying tribute to the late Dungeon Family member Rico Wade.

“Passin’ through the temp’, I say a prayer for fallen soldiers/ Rest in peace to Brucе and may God be with DG Yola/ It hurt like Hell to say but rеst in peace to Rico Wade,” he raps.

Both verses are tied together by an infectious chorus courtesy of Blxst. The original “Exit 9” appeared on Killer Mike’s 2023 album Michael.

Mike’s robust project pulled off the Grammy trifecta earlier this year, where he won best rap album and song, and best rap performance. 

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Metro Boomin and Future’s Mastering Engineer Reveals Their Secret Sauce

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Joe LaPorta understands the fast-paced nature of rap music. “[When I left New York University], the industry was completely different,” says the 44-year-old mastering engineer who has worked with everyone from Imagine Dragons to Miley Cyrus to, most recently, Future and Metro Boomin. “It was still a physical medium. There were a lot more planned releases. There wasn’t this freedom of being able to release things within a day of creating it.”

Future and Metro Boomin are both comfortable moving at today’s pace. The longtime collaborative duo recently released two albums less than a month apart, We Don’t Trust You and We Still Don’t Trust You. The GrandStand engineer began working with Metro Boomin nearly a decade ago, when the latter made his collaborative album Savage Mode with Atlanta MC 21 Savage. From there, LaPorta was consistently tapped to work on several other projects by the in-demand producer thanks to Metro’s “right-hand man,” Ethan Stevens, a recording engineer with executive producer credits to his name.

LaPorta says the two artists wanted their latest full-lengths to feel like throwback Future releases, incorporating dusty soul samples and ’80s boom bap while retaining Future’s classic trap sound. “We have this cool collaborative process where he hears how I master it, he may make some adjustments, I might have some suggestions for him,” LaPorta says. “We work really well like that.”

It’s a good thing to be that dialed in because whenever a project pops up, LaPorta says it’s usually coming out soon. His goal with the Future and Metro projects — both of which debuted atop the Billboard 200, with We Don’t Trust You charting a multiweek Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 with “Like That” — was to make sure “everything is very consistent from track to track … There’s nothing more boring than a record that doesn’t have those ups and downs. [It’s] a good ride, and it’s constantly changing. That’s what’s so cool about these records.”

This story will appear in the April 27, 2024, issue of Billboard.

Friday Dance Music Guide: The Week’s Best New Tracks From Justice, Hyperbeam, Salute & More

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This week in dance music: We talked to current Billboard cover star Peggy Gou about her ascent and forthcoming debut album, we talked numbers with Steve Aoki, we learned the value of the global dance music industry in 2023 amid IMS Ibiza and we saw Dua Lipa make history over on Hot Dance/Electronic Songs.

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And of course, we heard fresh music. These are the best new dance projects of the week.

HYPERBEAM, “Okay Fine”



Hyperbeam, the collaborative project from Australian producer Odd Mob and L.A.-based artist Omnom, releases its debut EP today via Insomniac Records. The Unexplained is a four-track amalgamation of tech house and bass house that’s steeped in a generally ravey late night vibe, which will surely work wel during the duo’s upcoming sets at festival’s including EDC Las Vegas, Hangout Fest, Ubbi Dubbi, The Concourse Project and Electric Forest. The previously released “All Day, All Night” and “Mind Awake, Body Asleep” have both become scene hits, with the equally hypnotic “Okay Fine” likely to become the same.

Justice, Hyperdrama



After months of hype, along with debut of a new live show at Coachella earlier this month and a Billboard cover story preceding it, the fourth studio album from Justice has arrived via the duo’s longtime label, Ed Banger Records. The French duo’s first studio album since 2016 — “Because the album cycle is so long every time, we’re both like, ‘OK, is there going to be anybody that’s still interested?’” the pair’s Augé jokingly told us — Hyperdrama is an often intense, sometimes lightly psychedelic and altogether satisfying 13 track collection that contains elements of classic Justice while also pushing their catalog forward into a kaleidoscopic future.

The album includes high-caliber collaborators like Miguel, Thundercat, Conan Moccasin and Kevin Parker, with the latter artist appearing on the album’s lead single “One Night/All Night” and the just-out “Neverender” — a gliding, punchy, lightly psychedelic melody-forward production on which the Australian singer-producer’s voice takes on the same string quality as the disco stabs the track is structured from.

salute & Rina Sawayama, “saving flowers”



Vienna-born, Manchester-based house producer salute — a 2023 Billboard artist to watch — sets the stage for their debut album, True Magic, with the project’s lead single, “Saving Flowers,” a lush jacking house production outfitted with silky vocals from Rina Sawayama. Coming in July via Ninja Tune, salute’s forthcoming album also features Disclosure, Empress Of, Karma Kid, Sam Gellaitry, piri, Léa Sen, LEILAH and Nakamura Minami, with the producer posting up at a house in the English countryside to work with this crew. “In dance music there always seems to be this focus on doing everything yourself,” they say, “but I wanted to get a team around me to develop the ideas I had. One thing I’m really proud of is how organic the work with the collaborators is.”

Chris Lake & Sammy Virji, “Summertime Blues”



It’s only April, but Chris Lake, British producer Sammy Virji and The Boxer Rebellion vocalist Nathan Nicholson already have the summertime blues. A subtly bumping ode to letting go of the kind of memories that haunt, the track makes an interesting key change in its final phase, like when the summer sun finally burns away everything that’s been bumming you out. “We wanted a drop that felt like the warmth of sunshine and that’s how it makes me feel,” Lake says of the track, which is out via Astralwerks and his own Black Book Records.

Kasbo, “Resenären”



In our hyperspeed era, seven minutes can feel like an eternity. We suggest that you stop what you’re doing, close your eyes and devote that amount of time to the latest from Swedish producer Kasbo, who on “Resenären” delivers an emotive and ever-lusher production that doesn’t have vocals but still easily transmits a message of cerebral bliss.

“The goal of this track was to take the listener on a journey and take time doing it,” the producer says. “The name ‘Resenären,’ which means ‘the traveler’ in Swedish, sort of speaks to that. With my album theme being centered around slowing down in an ever-accelerating world, I wanted to push that concept and take my time leading up to the final climax with this song. In 7 minutes, it’s the longest one I’ve ever made.” Kasbo’s album, The Learning Of Urgency, is out June 7 via Odesza’s Foreign Family Collective.

Normani Describes Long-Delayed Debut Album ‘Dopamine’ As Ultimate ‘Representation of My Resilience’

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Normani might as well be talking to herself on new single “1:59” when she purrs, “don’t talk too much, just do this s–t.” Sure, in the context of the collab with Gunna that dropped on Friday (April 26) the focus is on get-down-to-business pillow talk. But the sexy refrain could just as well be channeling the thoughts of fans who’ve been waiting nearly six years for the former Fifth Harmony star to drop her full-length solo debut since that fateful day in 2018 when she tweeted, “I have my album title y’all.”

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“Just do this s–t!” you can hear them yelling after the string of singles she’s released since leaving FH in 2018, including her Billboard Hot 100 No. 9-charting solo debut with Khalid, “Love Lies.” Then there was her No. 7 2019 collab with Sam Smith on “Dancing With a Stranger,” that year’s irresistible “Motivation” and Charlie’s Angels soundtrack song “Bad To You” with Ariana Grande and Nicki Minaj, as well as songs with Megan Thee Stallion (2020’s “Diamonds”) and Cardi B (2021’s “Wild Side”) and Calvin Harris (2022’s “New to You” with Tinashe and Offset) in the time since.

But still, no album… until the singer announced the title in February, Dopamine, and teased the riding-a-rocket-in-a-leather-bikini-cover, and then, on Friday, finally, the release date: June 14.

“I know what it’s like to put out music and records that I don’t wholeheartedly believe in. When we were in [Fifth Harmony], we didn’t have the opportunity to have a real opinion until the last project we did,” the singer tells ELLE in a new cover story that details how her plans to release the LP — which at one point was called 1906 for the address of her grandmother’s house where she was raised, then Butterfly Effect — was serially delayed in part due to her parents being diagnosed with cancer; they are both doing better now.

Pile on what the profile describes as heartbreak, “intense, unwarranted internet scrutiny” and a fight for creative control early in her career and you can easily understand the delay.

“I promised myself, ‘If God gives me another opportunity to do things in my own way, I’m not going to take that for granted,’” she says of the collection described as mixing uptempo dance tracks with songs exploring those struggles during and after 5H’s split. “I think that there’s a false narrative that because of how long this process has taken, that means I don’t care, or that means I’m more interested in doing other things than putting this body of work out. Nobody wants this project to come out more than me. I think that at the end of the day, if I stand behind this wholeheartedly, it doesn’t matter what the world thinks.”

To put a finer point on it, she says, “this body of work really is just a representation of my resilience.”

One of the key parts of the album cycle so far has been the outpouring of support she got when she announced the album earlier this year, especially from her former 5H bandmates: Camila Cabello, Ally Brooke, Lauren Jauregui and Dinah Jane. “This is a milestone, knowing everything that I went through in order to just get to this point. I wanted to be present in that and not allow any negative comments,” she tells the magazine. “I really wanted to just celebrate myself. In terms of the support from the girls, that’s really full circle, to be quite honest. We were put in very unrealistic circumstances. We did our absolute best with what we had, but I think that it’s really cool to just see everybody prosper. It was cool that that moment [for me] could also be a moment that could bring us all together.”

She says the album title is a representation of the “highs and lows” she’s endured, while the rocket-straddling cover feels “energetic… it feels like a hit.”

Asked how she feels about the state of women, especially Black women, in music right now, Normani turns to hers, and many others’, north star: Beyoncé. “I want to see more women in charge. I want to see more Black women as chairmen. I want to see more Black women as CEOs,” she says. “I want to see more Black women produce. I know that all of those exist, but it’s just about getting the opportunity and the recognition.”

Normani specifically points to Bey “taking over the country space” with her Cowboy Carter album, which she dubs “revolutionary… Those are the types of things that I set out to do. Now you have country artists who look like us coming out and just being like, ‘We’ve always been here.’ I think that it’s educational not only for music lovers, but also in the Black community. We’ve pioneered a lot that we don’t get recognition for. I think that it’s just really cool being able to witness Beyoncé be fearless and do something that is much bigger than herself. That’s honestly what I want to see more of in every single space of the music industry, because we deserve that. I also want to see Black women not have to fight so hard. It gets exhausting. We’re just as brilliant. We have amazing ideas, and our resilience.”

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Jelly Roll Says ‘It Wasn’t Just Bullying’ That Led Him to Quit Social Media

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Earlier this week, Flavor Flav posted a video standing up for Jelly Roll after the country star’s wife, podcaster Bunnie XO, revealed that her husband had quit social media due to relentless bullying about his weight. But in a new interview, the “Need a Favor” singer explained that there’s actually a bit more to the story — although he’s very grateful to the DJ for coming to his defense. 

“He’s a sweet human, man,” Jelly told Variety of Flav in an article published Friday (April 26). “His wife is just salt of the earth. I met their whole family again last night. I’ve gotten to really spend some time with Flav and his family, and they’re real, real salt of the earth.” 

The three-time CMT Award-winner went on to say he’s “sure [he’ll] be back” on social media at some point, but for now, there’s “bigger fish to fry.”  

“I probably shouldn’t elaborate on this because nobody on my team wants me to, but I don’t have a problem with social media,” he continued. “And it wasn’t just bullying that did it. It was not only the toxicity of social media, but the addiction of it. I was becoming too busy to waste hours of my life scrolling.” 

“I can honestly say that I’ve been off social media for a few months now and I’ve never felt better or healthier mentally — never felt more clearheaded,” Jelly added. “I’ve also never had less of an idea what was going on in the world, but I tell you what, I’m definitely not coming back before the election. Bad joke.” 

The interview comes a few days after Bunnie told fans on TikTok that Jelly “got off the internet because he is so tired of being bullied about his f–king weight.” She added, “My husband doesn’t show it to you guys, but I’m going to have a very vulnerable moment here … It hurts him.” 

Shortly afterward, Flavor Flav addressed the haters with a video on X. “How dare y’all try to judge my man about his weight and his character,” the rapper said at the time. “All y’all trying to judge my boy Jelly Roll, I think y’all need to take a step back and judge yourself.” 

The “Son of a Sinner” musician is currently gearing up to make his Stagecoach debut at this year’s festival. He’s slated to perform on the first day of the weekend-long event, which kicks off Friday and will also see sets from Morgan Wallen, Miranda Lambert, Eric Church, Willie Nelson, Post Malone, Hardy and more. 

“I tell you what: I don’t know what every other artist does when they debut at Stagecoach, but I have taken it serious,” Jelly told Variety, noting that he wants to premiere some new material at the festival. “I rehearsed more for Stagecoach than I have any single event in my career.” 

Toby Keith to Receive Posthumous Honorary Degree From University of Oklahoma

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The University of Oklahoma will fete late singer-songwriter Toby Keith with an honorary degree during the university’s May 11 commencement ceremony at Lloyd Noble Center.

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Keith is one of four individuals who will earn an honorary degree during the upcoming ceremony. According to The Oklahoman, other recipients include Presidential Medal of Freedom honoree David Proctor, educator Barbara Ann Posey Jones and the late Tom Love, founder of Love’s Travel Stops.

“Through their exceptional talents, transformative leadership and unwavering commitment to serving others, each of this year’s honorary degree recipients has left an indelible mark on the world,” OU President Joseph Harroz told the outlet. “Their profound dedication has touched countless lives, and we take great pride in conferring the university’s highest honor upon them.”

Keith died on Feb. 5 at age 62 after a battle with stomach cancer. In March, the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum revealed that Keith will be inducted as a member later this year. In making the announcement, CMA CEO Sarah Trahern revealed that they had found out that Keith would be an inductee just hours after his passing.

Keith’s official Instagram account also noted in a post about his OU honorary degree that the late musician was an avid supporter of the university’s sports programs, as well as a longtime donor. When the institution’s softball team earned a third consecutive national championship win in June, Keith was there celebrating at the USA Softball Hall of Fame Stadium, even leading a rendition of his 2000 hit “How Do You Like Me Now?!”

During the University of Oklahoma’s men’s basketball game on Feb. 6, the university honored the late singer-songwriter by placing a guitar, a red Solo cup (in honor of Keith’s 2012 hit of the same name) and a University of Oklahoma ball cap on the seat where Keith would typically sit for games. Earlier this month, the name “TOBY” and an image of the singer were painted at Owen Field on the 25-yard line.

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Ryan Beatty On His Crazy 2024, From Writing With Beyoncé to Touring With Noah Kahan & Maggie Rogers

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Even before the release of Beyoncé’s Billboard 200-topping album Cowboy Carter, Ryan Beatty was having a banner 2024. His name is in the liner notes to Bleachers’ self-titled fourth album as a co-writer, and he’ll open for Noah Kahan this summer and Maggie Rogers in the fall — all in support of his own acclaimed 2023 third album, Calico, which earned praise from Elton John, who hosted Beatty on his Apple Music Radio show Rocket Hour last year, saying his songwriting is “beautiful, intense and meaningful.”

But his contributions to Cowboy Carter have been quietly in the works throughout his wins, extending across the past four years. Beatty, a California native and teen pop prodigy turned tender singer-songwriter, is credited with co-writing four songs on the blockbuster, including standouts “Bodyguard” and “II Hands II Heaven.” A closely guarded secret he has kept since 2020 (Beatty, 28, says he “worked on this pretty much from beginning to end”), his collaboration proved to be an inspirational boost. “It gave me this silent confidence for years,” he says. “I think when you’re patient through the process, you almost feel ready for all the things that happen.”

Below, he explains how he scored such major co-writes and what’s up next for his solo career.

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Even though Calico came out a year ago, do the past couple months feel like a milestone for you?

I think when you’re patient through the process, you feel ready for all the things that happen. I don’t mean to sound jaded, because it’s unreal all of the things that I’ve done and am getting to do. When I put my record out, I knew what I made and I knew how special it was to me. I’d hoped that it’d feel just as special to the people listening to it. I also know what I was willing to do and not willing to do. And I’m very adamant about staying authentic in every single decision I make when it comes to my music. And I think because I’ve been so protective of it, it’s been such a nice slow burn that the discovery of the record has been happening so naturally and effortlessly. 

I didn’t realize how much this record affected people until I started touring it. Seeing people really show up and really be there with me was really special. It’s nice to know that staying true to yourself pays off, because it’s so easy for you to bite the apple and try things that don’t feel right for you and you think, “Oh, this worked for somebody else so maybe it will work for me.” But I think every artist has that feeling in their gut when they know something is right for them or not, you just have to listen closely.

You were working on Cowboy Carter and Calico simultaneously. What was it like deciding which ideas and lyrics should be for which albums?

There was never a moment where I thought, “Should this go here or there?” Anytime I went in to work on music, it was very intentional to focus on where things existed. At the end of the day, my writing is going to be my writing. But it never blended too much; it was always “I’m making this song for Calico,” or “I’m making this song for Cowboy Carter.” I felt really propelled in my artistry and could feel myself growing as an artist, so working on something of such magnitude at that time also helped hone in on my album. I always call Calico a small record because it’s so close to the chest, and it’s really interesting being in both those worlds. Knowing that [Cowboy Carter] will be heard by every person on Earth, whereas on my record I’m whispering into the mic, I kind of enjoyed that.

How did you keep Cowboy Carter a secret for so long?

It was hard, but I also sort of enjoyed it. There were people in my life who didn’t know until the day it came out. I got phone calls and texts all day, like, “What are you talking about?” The entire time I wanted to honor what was being made, and I really believe in letting the work speak for itself. Not having expectations is the best move.

Your work is usually autobiographical. How does that affect your writing for other artists?

I put my own perspective into these songs. Even on a song like “Just for Fun,” [Beyoncé] sings about Clovis, which is the town I grew up in [in California]. So if you really look into the details of it, you can hear my perspective in there, I think.



How easy was it deciding whether or not to reflect your own queerness in your work?

It was instant for me. What excites me about making music is talking about my own life. So it wasn’t about should I or shouldn’t I. It was like, this is what excites me, let me be very forward about it.

What did you learn from working with Beyoncé and her team?

She makes things with so much intention, and I’ve always tried to do the same thing. Just seeing the work that goes into it definitely reminded me, “Oh, this is how you make greatness.” That was incredible to be around, and I felt highly respected through the entire process.

What can you share about “BODYGUARD,” which seems to be a fan favorite?

The line “Sometimes I hold you closer just to know you’re real” is one of my favorite lines I wrote for the whole record. Melody and lyric together can make something feel so much more beautiful. I think that melody, the way she sings it, and the line itself feels cute and intimate. I love that part of the song.

What can you reveal about collaborating on the Bleachers album? You are credited as a co-writer on “Call Me After Midnight.”

For that record, it’s one we started working on in 2017. It’s a song I wrote a long time ago. Jack [Antonoff, Bleachers frontman] was working on Kevin Abstract’s record, and I think they pulled that one up to revisit and Jack loved it and asked us if he could rework it and we were like, “Yeah, go for it.” To my surprise, it was on the latest Bleachers record and I’m really happy it went on there. It’s such a fun, beautiful record and I’ve been a fan of Jack’s for a really long time since way before I knew him, so that was a full circle moment at the same time, too. 



It was just announced that you’ll be opening up for Maggie Rogers on her upcoming tour. Do you ever spitball ideas with her? 

Maggie is one of the smartest people I’ve ever met. She’s just fun to talk to and she wears her heart on her sleeve. I think that I do the same, so I enjoy our conversations. 

Are your recent experiences influencing how you’ll write your next album?

Probably, but I wouldn’t know yet. I’d say, I’m grateful to know that the best way for me to write a record is for me to just live life. That sounds really simple, but I try not to go in “record-making mode” and to be honest, I don’t even know what that means. Calico was made over a time where I was like, “Okay, ‘I’m ready to write” and then I’d stop for six weeks. Then I’d go back and work on it a little more. I just want to live a beautiful life, make beautiful things and what comes of it, comes from it. That sounds really simple, but I think if you grip it too hard it ends up being over thought. There has to be ease and intention at the same time.

This story will appear in the April 27, 2024, issue of Billboard.