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Saweetie Downplays Nicki Minaj & Megan Thee Stallion’s Feud: ‘When There’s Beef, It’s a Sport’

This year, rap beef is at an all-time high on the female side, with Nicki Minaj and Megan The Stallion sparring along with the newest feud between Latto and Ice Spice. While appearing on Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ocho Cinco’s Nightcap podcast in Las Vegas on Thursday (Feb. 9), Saweetie spoke on the rise of beefs in hip-hop.

“When the men have their beef, it’s like, ‘Oh OK, it’s a sport.’ But when the women do it, it’s not seen as a sport. I feel like when there’s beef, it’s a sport,” she told Sharpe. “You’re seeing who’s the most witty and clever.” 

Minaj took offense at Megan’s Hot 100 chart-topper “Hiss,” which many assumed were shots directed at her. “These h–s don’t be mad at Megan, these h–s mad at Megan’s Law/ I don’t really know what the problem is, but I guarantee y’all don’t want me to start/ B—h, you a p—y, never finna check me/ Every chance you get, bet your weak ass won’t address me,” Thee Stallion spewed, allegedly targeting Nicki and her husband, Kenneth Petty.

In response, the Queens MC penned a scathing rebuttal titled “Big Foot” and targeted the Houston rapper on social media. She referenced Meg’s late mother, her rapping skills and the 2020 Tory Lanez shooting. 

“What you’re seeing right now is battle rap, just singles,” relayed Saweetie. “If they were battle rapping, then it wouldn’t be beef; they would be going on stage like this, but now that it’s singles, it’s bringing a bigger audience.”

When asked if she would respond to a record directed at her, Saweetie said it depended on “what was said” and “who sent it.”  

Last year, confusion surrounded Saweetie and the sampling of Aqua’s 1997 hit “Barbie World” when she first teased her rendition “Icy Girl, Icy World” on Instagram Live. According to Problem — one of the writers on Saweetie’s version — he claimed they sent the record to Minaj’s camp to consider for the Barbie movie, which she declined. Later, Minaj would work with Ice Spice on “Barbie World,” using a similar sample, and the song became a hit, earning a Grammy nomination this year. 

Saweetie addressed the issue and seemed unfazed during her interview with Power 106. “I love to inspire; that’s my purpose here, and they look bomb as f-ck in the video. So it’s just like, ‘OK, b—h, I see you!’ Mine still coming out, though. Stay tuned. I’m saving it for a very special moment.”

Watch Saweetie’s interview with Shannon and Ocho below. 



The Perks — And Payoff — For Artist Team Owners

Since investing in the Chicago Sky in 2006, singer Michelle Williams of Destiny’s Child fame has sung the national anthem at multiple games, joined a Sky star in a photo-op with local high school players, hung out with fans at a meet-and-greet — and, of course, enjoyed the best seats in the house.

With her minority stake in the 2021 WNBA champion team, Williams belongs to an exclusive group of pop stars who own a slice of a sports team, including Usher, J. Cole, Pitbull, Fergie, Marc Anthony and Justin Timberlake. And with the Sky recently valued at $85 million, her investment is paying off in multiple ways.

“It checks a lot of the boxes — [she] is from the city, a fan of the sport, a woman, a member of an iconic group,” says Jonathan Azu, founder and CEO of Culture Collective, which manages Williams. “It has the hallmarks of why you would do something like that: ‘I’m associated with this team, so it brings a lot of value to my brand.’ ”

Michelle Williams, a solo artist and member of the group Destiny's Child, speaks to kids at a the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boys and Girls Club Monday, Feb. 27, 2006 in Chicago. Williams took the opportunity to announce she is part of a group of minority owners of the Chicago Sky, the newest team in the Women's National Basketball Association. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)

Michelle Williams speaks to kids at a the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boys and Girls Club Monday, Feb. 27, 2006 in Chicago.

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For an artist, that kind of value is both figurative and literal. Whether it’s Usher buying a small stake in the NBA’s Cleveland Cavaliers, Anthony and Fergie becoming minority owners of the NFL’s Miami Dolphins, Cole buying into the NBA’s Charlotte Hornets or Pitbull becoming co-owner of NASCAR’s Trackhouse Racing Team, money is a primary motivator.

“The stock market can go down, but the value of, say, the Texas Rangers is not going to go down,” says Michael Rapkoch, founder and CEO of Dallas-based Sports Value Consulting. Usher’s $9 million Cavs investment, for instance, may have more than quadrupled in value since he first made it in 2005, according to Forbes estimates. “I’m very happy to say that I don’t just have a basketball team, I have a championship team,” Usher tells Billboard, noting the Cavs won in 2016 under his watch. “That legacy is associated with something that I made an investment in.”

Perhaps the best-known artist-turned-team owner is Jay-Z, who spent $1 million on a small stake in the NBA’s Nets in 2004, helped move the franchise from New Jersey to his native Brooklyn, then divested from the team in 2013 to avoid a conflict of interest with his Roc Nation Sports agency. His windfall from that deal, according to Forbes, was an estimated $1.4 million.

Marc Anthony attends the NFL, ESPN/ESPN Deportes and the Miami Dolphins press conference at the Time Warner Center on July 21, 2009 in New York City.

Marc Anthony attends the NFL, ESPN/ESPN Deportes and the Miami Dolphins press conference at the Time Warner Center on July 21, 2009 in New York City.

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Investing in a team can also mean easy self-marketing. When Timberlake, whose investing group owns a reported 2.8% of his hometown NBA team, the Memphis Grizzlies, played camera operator at home games, Sports Illustrated covered the story. “Sports is entertainment. There is crossover at every level,” Mark Cuban, who recently sold his majority stake in the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks for a reported $3.5 billion, tells Billboard.

That said, even a minority stake can be risky — “no different than any business,” as Cuban says. “If it’s not well run [and] customers aren’t happy, you can lose a lot of money.” That’s why none of longtime Bay Area music business manager Tim Jorstad’s clients have ever bought stakes in teams, even though many of his clients, which include the Doobie Brothers, Jefferson Airplane and members of Journey and the Grateful Dead, are regional sports fans.

Nonetheless, the perks tend to outweigh the potential downside for artists craving a piece of the sports pie. “It’s a fun investment. [Artist-owners] go to a lot of games and get to sit in the owners’ box and go onto the field and schmooze,” Jorstad says. “There are very few other normal investments where you get that kind of public exposure.”

J. Cole during the Miami Heat vs Charlotte Hornets game at FTX Arena on November 10, 2022 in Miami, Florida.

J. Cole during the Miami Heat vs Charlotte Hornets game at FTX Arena on November 10, 2022 in Miami, Florida.

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Additional reporting by Gail Mitchell.

This story will appear in the Feb. 10, 2024, issue of Billboard.

Taylor Swift Jokes About Tripping & Nearly Falling at Tokyo Eras Show: ‘My Life Flashed Before My Eyes’

This is her trying … not to wipe out in front of tens of thousands of people in Tokyo. At the Friday (Feb. 9) Eras Tours top in Japan, Taylor Swift tripped and nearly fell while performing “The 1” during her Folklore set before skillfully catching herself.

In a video captured by one Swiftie in attendance, the 34-year-old pop star closes out the song while sitting on the roof of a cabin structure. During the track’s final instrumental bars, she stands up and starts to make her way down to the main stage, but trips and lurches forward.

Swift quickly regained her footing. Before starting the next song, she breathes a sigh of relief as the audience chuckles.

“I almost fell off the Folklore cabin, but I didn’t,” she says into her microphone before joking, “And that’s the lesson. My life flashed before my eyes.”

“I’m good, it’s all good,” she adds. “I’m just so happy that I didn’t fall of the Folklore cabin, you know what I mean? What a great night in Tokyo.”

Friday’s show marked the third of four planned Eras dates at the Tokyo Dome, with Swift’s final night at the venue slated for Saturday (Feb. 10). Immediately afterward, fans expect she’ll fly back to the states in order to make it to Las Vegas in time for the Super Bowl, where her boyfriend, Travis Kelce, and the Kansas City Chiefs will face off against the San Francisco 49ers.

At Wednesday’s (Feb. 7) show in Japan, the “Karma” singer opened up about her historic album of the year win at the 2024 Grammys days earlier, and revealed how long she’s been working on her newly announced album, The Tortured Poets Department. “I’ve been working on it for about two years,” she told the crowd. “I kept working on it throughout the U.S. tour, and when it was perfect — in my opinion when it’s good enough for you — I finished it, and I am so, so excited that soon you’ll get to hear it.”

Watch Swift joke about her near fall in Tokyo below.

Daughtry Nabs First Mainstream Rock Airplay No. 1 With ‘Artificial’

Daughtry reaches No. 1 on Billboard’s Mainstream Rock Airplay chart for the first time as “Artificial” lifts 2-1 on the Feb. 17-dated ranking.

“Artificial” follows 17 years of appearances on Mainstream Rock Airplay for Daughtry, which first made the survey with “It’s Not Over,” a No. 5-peaking track in March 2007. The band boasts eight entries in all.

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That stretch between first appearance and first No. 1 is the longest since Jeff Beck, who set the all-time record when he went 37 years between “People Get Ready” charting in 1985 and Ozzy Osbourne’s “Patient Number 9,” on which he’s featured, reaching No. 1 in 2022.

As Daughtry is the lead artist on “Artificial,” the previous longest as a lead act went to Disturbed frontman David Draiman, who went 19 years between his solo track “Forsaken” in 2002 and “Dead Inside,” a co-lead with Nita Strauss, which hit No. 1 in 2022.

Prior to “Artificial,” Daughtry’s highest ranking song on Mainstream Rock Airplay had been “Heavy Is the Crown,” which peaked at No. 4 in 2021.

While it’s Daughtry’s first Mainstream Rock Airplay ruler, the Chris Daughtry-fronted band boasts multiple No. 1s over the years on other Billboard’s airplay charts. That includes four leaders on Adult Pop Airplay between 2007 and 2009 (“It’s Not Over,” “Home,” “Feels Like Tonight” and “No Surprise”) and one reign apiece on Pop Airplay (“It’s Not Over”) and Adult Contemporary (“Home”).

Daughtry’s output generally performed better on pop airplay formats early in the band’s career, to the point where it experienced a nearly 13-year break from Mainstream Rock Airplay between “Crashed” in 2007 and its return to the ranking, “World on Fire,” in 2020.

Concurrently, “Artificial” rises 14-13 on the all-rock-format, audience-based Rock & Alternative Airplay chart with 2.7 million audience impressions, up 13%, according to Luminate. It reaches its peak so far, No. 12, on the Jan. 13 tally.

The most recent multimetric Hot Hard Rock Songs list (Feb. 10) found “Artificial” at No. 12. In addition to its radio airplay, the song earned 346,000 official U.S. streams Jan. 26-Feb. 1.

“Artificial” is currently a standalone single for Daughtry. Its last album, Dearly Beloved, debuted at No. 4 on the Top Hard Rock Albums chart dated Oct. 2, 2021, and has earned 88,000 equivalent album units to date.

All Billboard charts dated Feb. 17 will update on Billboard.com on Tuesday, Feb. 13.

Nate Smith’s ‘Fire’ Continues to Burn With Ninth Week at No. 1 on Country Airplay Chart

Nate Smith’s “World on Fire” continues its command on Billboard’s Country Airplay chart, ranking at No. 1 for a ninth week. It drew 31.4 million in airplay audience Feb. 2-8, according to Luminate.

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The song is now solely the second-longest-leading hit in the Country Airplay chart’s 34-year history, one week from tying Morgan Wallen’s “You Proof,” which dominated for 10 frames starting in October 2022.

“Fire” – released on Arista Nashville/RCA Nashville, and which Smith co-wrote with Ashley Gorley, Taylor Phillips and Lindsay Rimes, the lattermost of whom solely produced it – passes three eight-week No. 1s: Wallen’s “Last Night” (beginning in May 2023), Alan Jackson and Jimmy Buffett’s “It’s Five O’Clock Somewhere” (August 2003) and Lonestar’s “Amazed” (July 1999).



“Fire” is Smith’s second straight career-opening Country Airplay No. 1, after “Whiskey on You” led for two weeks last February.

At Home in the Top 10

Thomas Rhett’s “Mamaw’s House,” featuring Morgan Wallen, hits the top 10 on Country Airplay, pushing 11-9, up 20% to 19.8 million audience impressions.

“House” is on the digital version of Rhett’s 20 Number Ones, which arrived on Top Country Albums at its No. 7 high in October 2023, becoming his seventh top 10.

Rhett — who is currently working on a new LP — and Wallen co-wrote “House” with Matt Dragstrem and Chase McGill.

Rhett adds his 23rd Country Airplay top 10. “House” follows “Angels Don’t Always Have Wings,” which led for a week in September, becoming his 19th leader. Rhett’s third of 30 chart entries, “It Goes Like This,” became his first top 10 and his maiden leader when it dominated for three frames starting in October 2013.

Wallen banks his 13th Country Airplay top 10. “House” follows “Everything I Love,” which peaked at No. 3 in December, and “Thinkin’ Bout Me,” which started a five-week command in November, becoming his 10th chart-topper. He logs an additional song on the Feb. 17-dated list: “Man Made a Bar,” featuring Eric Church, rises 15-13 (14.7 million, up 20%).

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Parker McCollum’s “Burn It Down” (MCA Nashville) climbs 13-10 (16 million, up 13%). The single, which McCollum co-penned, becomes his fourth consecutive career opening top 10.

It follows “Handle on You,” which peaked at No. 2 last May. Before “Handle on You,” McCollum’s scored two straight leaders; his first entry “Pretty Heart” led in December 2020 followed by “To Be Loved By You,” which reigned in March 2022.

Kyrie Irving Jabs NYC Mixxie Mayor Adams In Brooklyn Return

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NBA star Kyrie Irving made his return to Brooklyn and took a shot at New York City Mayor Eric Adams in the process. 

On Tuesday night (Feb. 6), the Dallas Mavericks went up against the Brooklyn Nets at Barclays Center with Kyrie Irving playing there for the first time since his acrimonious split with the team last season. During a 36-point performance, Irving was near the sideline when a fan known as Courtside Nets on X, formerly Twitter, asked the guard why he didn’t exhibit that while with the Nets. “Thank Mayor Adams for that, bro,” Irving replied. 

The jab (no pun intended) was related to the city’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate enacted by Mayor Adams. Irving opted not to get vaccinated, and so the policy kept him from playing in the Nets’ home games during the majority of the 2021-2022 season. The team also sat him for most of its road games during the first two months of that season. The guard would appear in the Nets’ 75th game of the season after Mayor Adams created an exemption from the mandate for athletes. In total, Irving only played 29 games, costing him millions.

The Mavericks would go on to win the game 119-107, with Irving getting some boos from the crowd. Afterward, he reflected on his time with the team, which ended last February when they granted his request to be traded to Dallas. In his three and a half years with the team, the assembled “super team” of Irving, Kevin Durant and James Harden only once won a playoff series playing together. 

“Obviously, I fell short in terms of the championship aspirations but, for me, I think it was bigger than a championship here,” Irving said, according to the Daily News. “I had to really take some moral stances that propelled me into a place in my life that I had to become accustomed to. There were some political things that were going on here as well that I couldn’t control, that I was responsible for. There were some things that I did on my own accord that I look back on, and they were mistakes, and I have to be accountable for those things. I’m not perfect, but one thing I can say is I’ve been able to learn from things.”

Boygenius Opens Up About Taylor Swift’s ‘Tortured Poets’ Announcement at Grammys & Band’s Hiatus

From Taylor Swift‘s surprise album announcement to the three golden gramophones Boygenius took home Sunday (Feb. 4), Julien Baker, Phoebe Bridgers and Lucy Dacus had a lot to debrief about after the 2024 Grammys.

In a post-awards interview with Vanity Fair, the bandmates — who confirmed plans to go on hiatus during a Feb. 1 show — revealed they were just as surprised as everyone else at Crypto.com Arena to hear Swift announce her new LP, The Tortured Poets Department, while accepting best pop vocal during the ceremony. “I was like, ‘No way. Is this happening?’” Dacus recalled.

“She keeps that s–t Fort Knox,” added Baker.

The “Anti-Hero” singer also won album of the year for Midnights, while Boygenius took home best rock performance and best rock song for “Not Strong Enough,” and best alternative music album for The Record. Individually, Bridgers was the night’s most awarded artist, having also snagged best pop duo/group for her “Ghost in the Machine” duet with SZA.

In a sweet clip from right after the show wrapped, Swift burst into the press room to excitedly congratulate Baker, Bridgers and Dacus before snapping photos with the group.

In the new interview, the trio also addressed its recent hiatus announcement, confirming all is well between the members, even after fans noticed that Bridgers and Dacus both wiped their Instagram accounts. “We are meeting up for dinner after this call,” said the “Night Shift” singer. “Everyone can be rest assured that we still love each other.”

“I think we all want a little break,” added the “Motion Sickness” musician. “I can’t function if I do anything in 2024 that is public.”

Bridgers had also touched on the hiatus while doing press backstage at the Grammys, saying, “This is funny because I guess we just didn’t tell anybody, but we told each other at the beginning of this project that it would have a finite date, like a finite amount of time devoted to it.”

“We completed that time, and now we walk into the sunset,” she added.

During that same backstage interview, the “Kyoto” singer also blasted former Recording Academy president Neil Portnow, telling him to “rot in piss” for his past comments about female musicians. To Vanity Fair, Bridgers elaborated on her decision to call out the executive.

“Lana [Del Rey] should have won a long time ago,” she said. “Mitski should be acknowledged in any f–king way. There’s countless people. For [Portnow] to say that women aren’t working hard enough to get these awards is the stupidest s–t ever. I was like, ‘Why not say it here where everybody knows who this guy is?’”

Pnau Drops ‘Murder on the Dancefloor’ Remix as Sophie Ellis-Bextor’s 2001 Original Hits 5th Week On Hot 100

As Sophie Ellis-Bextor‘s 2001 disco pop classic “Murder on the Dancefloor” continues its rise up the charts — sitting at No. 57 on the Billboard Hot 100 and No. 4 on Hot Dance/Electronic Songs — on the power of its Saltburn synch, the track is getting extra momentum Friday (Feb. 9) via a remix by Australian production trio Pnau.

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Their edit turns up the dial on the track’s soaring string section and adding a synth breakdown that’s extremely reminiscent of Daft Punk’s “Around the World” and which adds a full 30 seconds to the song. Pnau previously spent 36 weeks at No. 1 on Hot Dance/Electronic Songs with its remix of Elton John and Dua Lipa’s “Cold Heart.”

Ellis-Bextor will make her U.S. late-night television on Feb. 12, when she performs “Murder on the Dancefloor” on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon. The British artist also recently shared a seven-track Murder on the Dancefloor EP, featuring the original song and its original B-side “Never Let Me Down,” along with extended versions and remixes that were all originally released in 2001, but are new to DSPs. She’ll also perform “Murder on the Dancefloor” at the 2024 BAFTA Awards on Feb. 18.

David Guetta is also getting in on the Saltburn action Friday, releasing his edit of Mason vs Princess Superstar’s “Perfect (Exceeder),” a 2006 dance track that’s also used in the film. The original is currently in its fifth week on Hot Dance/Electronic Songs, where’s its sitting at No. 18.

Listen to the Pnau remix of “Murder on the Dancefloor” below:



Jennifer Lopez Says She Was ‘Very, Very Inspired’ to Make Music Again After Reuniting With Ben Affleck

It’s been nearly a decade since Jennifer Lopez‘s last studio album, 2014’s A.K.A., and 22 years since 2002’s This Is Me… Then. The latter was partly inspired by her first love affair with actor Ben Affleck, and after breaking up in 2004 and reuniting in 2021, the pair are now married and Lopez is preparing to release her ninth album, This Is Me… Now.

So, go figure, JLo tells ET that Now was also fueled by her relationship with the actor. “When Ben and I got back together, it was just like, ‘I want to make music again, I want to get back in the studio,’” Lopez said. “I was very, very inspired.”

The album and an accompanying narrative-driven short film directed by Dave Meyers (Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift) titled This Is Me… Now: A Love Story — which will air on Amazon Prime — will both drop on Feb. 16. “Half the time, I was thinking, like, ‘This is amazing! I am so excited that I’m doing this!’ And then half time time I was like, ‘Why are you doing this? You are so crazy,” Lopez said of her trepidation about stepping back into music after focusing on acting for the past decade. “But I think that’s what being an artist is about, you know, you have to. That’s the difference between being an artist and not being an artist, how vulnerable you can get.” 

Then she and Affleck reunited and their rekindled love inspired the romance-drenched LP. “Once the music was done, it felt so special to me,” she said. “It felt like something very different than I had ever done, even though I’ve written about love my whole career.” The goal, she added was to capture the joy of their love in music on a collection she described as “a little bit more evolved and healed… [and] kind of magical.”

So far, Lopez has dropped the dance-y single “Can’t Get Enough” from the album that also features a sequel to a track from the first This Is Me album, “Dear Ben Pt. II.”

Watch the “Can’t Get Enough” remix video with Latto below.



Zach Top Garners Industry Buzz by Spearheading a ‘90s Country Throwback

Newcomer Zach Top’s name has been everywhere in Nashville over the past couple of years, as the singer-songwriter from Washington state with the undeniably ‘90s country-influenced sound and resonant voice has steadily amassed milestones within Music City circles.

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Top, 26, became the flagship artist at new Nashville label Leo33 and signed with Major Bob Music for management and publishing. He’s already toured with Ashley McBryde and is set to open shows this year for Lainey Wilson, Luke Bryan and Brothers Osborne.

The singer-songwriter’s debut country radio single, “Sounds Like the Radio,” which he penned with Carson Chamberlain and Wyatt McCubbin, is No. 45 on the Country Airplay chart.



Far from the accelerated TikTok-fueled rise of so many of today’s country upstarts, Top’s career follows a well-trod bluegrass-to-country path. He grew up listening to George Strait and Marty Robbins. An early guitar teacher’s affinity for bluegrass music inspired a seven-year-old Top to join his two older sisters and younger brother in forming bluegrass group Top String. Top played with the family group for a decade before spending four years with bluegrass outfit North Country, before joining Modern Tradition, which he met at the International Bluegrass Music Association (IBMA) awards show in Raleigh, North Carolina. The group won the International Band Contest at another prestigious bluegrass music conference, Society for the Preservation of Bluegrass Music of America (SPBGMA) in 2017.

“We had just been jamming, just having fun, and then we won the band contest and were like, ‘Well, we should probably put out some music,” Top recalls.

Having begun writing with Chamberlain, he moved to Nashville in 2021. In 2022, Top released a self-titled album, with Modern Tradition playing on the project; a song from the project, “Like It Ain’t No Thing,” topped the Bluegrass Today chart. But even then, his sights were already set on country music.

“I love bluegrass music so much and had a ball touring with bands. I’ll probably do more of that as my career goes on,” Top says. “But my heart has always been in country. My goal has always been to play the kind of country music that made me fall in love with the format — fiddles, steel guitars and telecasters twanging.”

With That, Top has progressed a legacy of artists, including Keith Whitley, Ricky Skaggs, Marty Stuart, Vince Gill, Joe Diffie, Alison Krauss, and most recently Chris Stapleton, who have spun years playing in bluegrass circles into country gold. Thus, Top setting himself apart in the bluegrass scene serves as a harbinger for long-lasting country music impact.

Billboard spoke with Top, our February Country Rookie of the Month, about the success of “Sounds Like the Radio,” the rise of ‘90s country throwback sounds, his upcoming album and more.



“Sounds Like the Radio” has received early support at country radio. How does that feel, in a crowded field of new artists?

It’s an old 4/4 shuffle; we ain’t seen one of those on the radio in a long time. The fact that radio seems to like it, I’m really honored by that. It felt like a big sigh of relief, and sort of a validation.

You signed with Leo33 last year. I’m sure you were looking at other labels, too. What stood out about what Leo33?

There were other labels for sure. It meant a good bit to me that [Leo33 label head] Katie Dean had worked on a bunch of records that had made me fall in love with country music. Meeting with the whole team, [Leo33 A&R exec] Natalie Osborne and everyone are such go-getters. To me, this felt like a partnership. The fact that they are all veterans in this industry and they are trying this new [label], it feels like they are at square one again just as much as I am and have everything to prove.



Your debut album, Cold Beer & Country Music, is out April 5. Carson Chamberlain is a producer on it and co-wrote every track. How did you two meet?

How we met was kind of hilarious. In late 2018, he emailed me and said he wanted to work with me. I had archived the email, and my girlfriend at the time—now my wife—called me a few weeks later and said, ‘Do you remember that email from this Chamberlain fellow? I’m sending you his Wikipedia link. I think we need to email him back.’ I did and met him in early 2019, started flying to Nashville every month to do co-writes with him and then he’d set me up on other co-writes. It was full circle because I love Keith Whitley and he was best buds with Keith [Chamberlain was Whitley’s bandleader and steel guitar player].

You also co-wrote every song on the album. What are some of your favorite songs from the project?

“Cold Beer and Country Music,” just felt like a great introduction to me as an artist. It’s a great honky-tonk type of song. “There’s the Sun” feels like a classic, and just comes at a love song from a different angle. That was the first Zoom write I ever did, in the middle of all the Covid mess. Then, “Cowboys Like Me Do” feels like it puts you in a Hallmark movie. The pictures are painted real well and it puts you in the middle of a story.



You’ve written with a lot of big-name writers — Carson, Wyatt, Mark Nesler, Tim Nichols, Paul Overstreet. Did it make you nervous being in those writing rooms?

Big time. My first co-write when I came to Nashville, after I had gotten to know Carson, was with Mark Nesler. He wrote so many of my favorite songs and I don’t think I said a word the first two or three times I wrote with him. It’s a pleasure to get in the room with somebody like that and just learn everything you can, but it’ll make you shake in your boots a little bit. If you write a song by yourself, if it’s not good, nobody has to hear it. But co-writing, you’re laying your heart out there. I’m very thankful to all those guys for letting me sit in a room and learn from them.

With country music having a ‘90s sounds resurgence, as well as some interpolations of ‘90s classics, we’re seeing some songwriters benefit from that, too.

I love to see that — and some of those guys that were creating all those hits that I fell in love with, they’re still out here writing a ton of good songs, and there ain’t hardly anybody better at it than them. It feels like they’re a little revitalized, at least the guys that have been included on my project. It feels fun to be a part of that and to bring those guys back to the spotlight a little bit.



You were on tour with Ashley McBryde last year. What did you learn from being part of that tour?

Well, I mean, I hope I can sing as perfect as she does every night and never miss a note. That would be nice. Her songwriting brings back things that I’ve missed in music — talking about real stuff that real people go through and doing it in a beautiful way that makes people feel understood. And she’s a great entertainer — I just can’t say much bad about Ms. Ashley.

You got to perform with Vince Gill at the Opry. How did that happen?

I knew he was going to be on the Opry lineup the night I played, so I was hoping to meet him. I played two or three songs and I got offstage. It’s kind of dark back there off to the side, and someone hollered to me out of the corner like, “Good show, buddy.” I said, “Thanks!” and then I took a second look and was like, “Oh, Lord, that’s Vince.” He heard me from the green room and came to watch my set. He was just so nice.

Then, when he closed out the show, he came up to me a bit before he went on and said, “Do you want to come up and do ‘One More Last Chance’ with me?” I just never expected that, and he had his folks holler out after the show saying he might like to write together, which was a huge compliment. We wrote a song called, “Love Ain’t No Love Song, Baby.” I loved getting to write with him, and he said I could call him back and write again, so I hope we get to do that.

Are there any artists that fans might be surprised to know you are a fan of?

I’m a big fan of Lake Street Dive. They have this raw, funky sound. It’s hard to put their music into a box. I love classic rock, so I’m a big fan of Greta Van Fleet, too.