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Travis Scott is delivering on his plans for a global trek with his Circus Maximus Tour. The Houston native announced plans for the South American and Australian legs of his tour on Monday (July 22), which will keep La Flame on the road through Halloween. āSOUTH AMERICA AND AUSTRALIA WHAT ARE WE DOING. IVE BEEEN […]
The path to 50 has not always been easy for Journey, whose members have been celebrating the milestone on the road, including a summer stadium tour with Def Leppard.
Over the decades, there has been rancor amid the music, lineup changes and lawsuits, periods of uncertainty and open-ended hiatus.
And yet the wheel ā in the sky and elsewhere ā keeps on turning for the group whose first show, at San Franciscoās Winterland Ballroom, ushered in 1974.
Legacy has a lot to do with it, of course. Journeyās catalog features a dozen platinum-or-better sellers, including two albums ā 1981ās Escape and 1988ās Greatest Hits ā that are certified diamond by the RIAA for sales (including downloads and streams) exceeding 10Ā million units.
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The band has notched 18 topĀ 40 singles on the Billboard HotĀ 100, and one would be hard pressed to attend a sporting event where the 1981 hit āDonāt Stop BelievināĀ ā (also famously played in the finale episode of The Sopranos) isnāt piped over the PA.
Given those accomplishments, Journeyās induction into the RockĀ & Roll Hall of Fame in 2017 was long overdue.
Meanwhile, since the end of the pandemic, the actās current lineup ā including co-founding guitarist Neal Schon, longtime keyboardist-guitarist Jonathan Cain and, since 2007, Filipino frontman Arnel Pineda (whom Schon discovered on YouTube) ā has been headlining arenas. And its summer stadium tour, which began JulyĀ 6 at Busch Stadium in St. Louis, reprises its 2018 bill with Def Leppard.
āTheyāve sold out every ticket everywhere we go ā itās kind of crazy, and well-deserved,ā says Jeff Frasco, Journeyās agent at Creative Artists Agency. āThe songs are amazing; people want to hear them. Combine that with putting on a great show, and itās great. They give people their moneyās worth.ā
All of that has somewhat mitigated the rancor of the past decade, which has included legal skirmishes that led to management changes and the departure of original bassist Ross Valory and longtime drummer Steve Smith, as well as trademark disputes with Steve Perry, singer of the bandās biggest hits. Schon and Cain have gone at each other, too, in well-reported conflicts over business issues that spilled into social media, most recently in 2023.
The good news, according to drummer Deen Castronovo ā who played with Schon and Cain in the late-1980s group Bad English ā is that āeverybody has mended fences,ā he says. āTheyāve made amends and weāre all on one jet again, and itās all for one and one for all.ā
Clearly, āDonāt Stop BelievināĀ ā seems to be not just a song title, but an ethos for the band.
Fifty years is a big milestone for any act. What has kept Journey around and active ā and successful ā for this long?
Neal Schon: Well, it all started with the songs themselves, and I think we got some things right a long time ago and continue to bring it live. We made our statements and continued to move forward in writing new music.
Jonathan Cain: Itās something you respect and youāre grateful for; thatās how I feel about it. For me, itās 44 years, and Iāve always felt like it was the highest honor to join such a prestigious band and then to be able to contribute and take it to another level.
Schon: Our fans are so loyal to us, and we have young fans now whose parents were fans of ours and now they have their own kids who are coming to the concerts, too, and they love the music. Bands usually disband because they stop growing, but we keep growing and getting new fans. That keeps it alive.
Take us back to Journey day one.
Schon: I had just come out of Santana and almost formed a band with Greg Errico and Larry Graham from SlyĀ & The Family Stone. Then Herbie Herbert approached me; he was my guitar tech [in Santana] and he said, āLook, Iām starting a management firm. I want to manage you and wrap a band around you.ā I was definitely looking for something to do. Herbie and I had always gotten along and he believed in me, and it just went from there.
Journey has been through a lot of changes ā 18 members, give or take ā and some major shifts, like when Steve Perry joined in 1977, or Cain in 1980, or Arnel Pineda in 2007. How has the group been able to navigate those changes and remain a draw?
Schon: I think the creativity. Any new person in a band brings out a different side in the chemistry in a band. We definitely had that chemistry between the three of us ā me, Jonathan and Perry ā in the old band, and weāve shown signs as well in the [current] band.
Cain: The musicās bigger than [the band members]. Journey has always connected with the audience. It really comes down to the integrity of the songs and the message. It was positive music ā which [critics] loved to hate. (Laughs.) A song like āDonāt Stop BelievināĀ ā has a huge connection because there are a lot of small-town girls and city boys wanting to get on the midnight train to anywhere. We worked hard to write songs [for the fans] about their lives.
Itās no secret there has been a lot of drama, especially over the past few years. You two seemed to be at each otherās throats and yet managed to pull it back from the brink. How?
Cain: Just looking at the big picture: The music is louder than the noise of the grumbling and the arguments and the disagreements and stuff. The show must go on, right? Itās just the drive of knowing that there are fans out there that donāt care about our differences but care that we show up and play for them. They care that we carry on, so weāve got to put aside our differences for them.
Schon: The one thing I can tell you is Journey is everything to me. Journey comes first, and Iām going to do anything I need to do to prevail and make sure that ship does not go down. You have to forgive and you have to move forward. Weāve chosen to do that.
The band is managing itself these days, right?
Schon: Yes. Itās like myself, my wife, Jonathan and his wife. It comes down to how much you understand what your situation is about. I would tell a young player, āGet involved in [the business]. Know whatās going down with the contracts, understand it, trademark yourself. If something shady comes by, know what question to ask.ā It took a long time to learn all that, but Iām happy we have.
If you could only have one album to hand to someone as a representation of Journey ā and not Greatest Hits ā what would you choose?
Schon: Infinity [released in 1978]. To this day, thatās one of my favorite records. There are many bigger records, although that was no slouch of a record, and musically itās very, very creative. We did an amazing job of turning that corner, of keeping some of the past and moving forward into the future with Steve on board and everything. It was like a new era for us.
Cain: Iād have to say Escape. Thatās our biggest record, and there was no accident it was. It still sounds fresh and it connects with people. I think the chemistry between all of us at the time, we were just a good, good band. We were on fire, young dudes with a mission.
You put out Freedom in 2022, which was your first new studio album in 11 years. Will there be another?
Cain: A single here, a single there. Iāve just written a new song; hopefully we can get it out there. Albums donāt really matter much anymore. You have to accept reality and adapt to it. Fortunately, Iāve got a lot of albums under my belt. Iām just happy the catalog is continuing to cook along.
Schon: I continue to be creative; we all do. We recorded [Freedom and] we recorded way more than what ended up on the album, a lot of great stuff that wasnāt used, so there is some stuff like that. But the business now is really about live performances and about whatever you can do with merchandise.
Speaking of live, youāre out this summer again with Def Leppard, like the two bands did in 2018. What are you anticipating?
Cain: Itāll be fun. Itās a rockānāroll show, and thereās nothing better than playing in a big, open space and a place where you donāt have to worry about the echo coming back at you. Itāll be nice just letting it blow; a full-on rock experience.
Schon: We love those guys. Weāve always had an amazing time with them. Weāve had great chemistry together going way back to the first tour we did with them, when [lead singer] Steve Augeri was in the band.
Are there any archival projects in the pipeline related to the 50th anniversary or otherwise?
Schon: Thereās lots of stuff I donāt think has ever been heard, live, from the early band. But I donāt think thereās anything from the older band, the ā80s band, that hasnāt been put out.
Cain: There was an album that came out in Japan, The Ballads, that I think would be a huge seller back here. You could even have [Volumes] 1 and 2; there are enough songs.
Has a stage musical or biopic about Journey ever been considered?
Cain: Weāve been down that road. I worked with Anthony Zuiker [creator of TVās CSI franchise]; heās a huge Journey fan and he had these songs in mind to create a play. And Perry shot it down. He didnāt want to know about it. Then [Zuiker] came back to me again; he had this Journey-Cirque du Soleil idea, and we were supposed to get something else with Netflix, the same producers who did the ĀArnold Schwarzenegger documentary. Right now, I think thatās in the hands of Steve Perry to say yea or nay. You canāt use his songs without his permission, obviously.
So thatās another gorilla in the room. Arnel has been with the band 17 years now. Steve wouldnāt even sing with you at the Rock Hall induction. People are always asking about it, but is it time to stop and realize heās never coming back?
Schon: I love Steveās voice. I just wish he continued singing. If Steve wanted to be heard, heād be heard. He came with his last solo record [2018ās Traces], and it showed hope that he was going to get out there and start doing things again. Without seeing him do it, I canāt answer something like that.
Cain: I just wish the guy well. Arnel is the longest tenured of any lead singer that weāve ever had and he has crushed it for all those years, so you got to go, āHow lucky are we to have a gentleman like that?ā And [Perry] is always going to be judged on his contributions [to Journey] and the legacy he left behind. He wins more than he loses.
This story originally appeared in the July 20, 2024, issue of Billboard.
The inaugural SXSW London will take place June 2-7, 2025, at more than 20 venues throughout the cityās Shoreditch neighborhood, marking the first time the longstanding event will happen in Europe.
As the gears get turning, the event has also announced new hires Clare Barry, the former marketing director of Cannes Lions; writer and film programmer Anna Bogutskaya; and artistic curator Beth Greenacre. Organizers forecast that SXSW London will generate more than Ā£75 million (roughly $97 million) for the U.K. economy.
According to its booker Adem Holness, a London native, the event will also emphasize the cityās many cultures while working to connect artists and industry workers from local scenes with international audiences and potential partners.
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āThe thing we can do uniquely is pull together reflections of the cutting-edge, grassroots music communities and ā if Iām just thinking about the music program ā how people can get involved in what is happening at the cutting edge and how they might be able to work with those different international music scenes to develop them and develop ideas with them,ā he says. āThatās what I think SXSW London should be.ā
This focus is thus not just on music, film and technology, but the cultures these things emanate from. This, Holness envisions, will create a gathering that ādoesnāt just feel like a series of performances, but like youāre experiencing culture and moment around that.ā
The event will also incorporate broader European perspectives, with Holness and his team focused on programming that highlights āthe cutting edge of music and culture in Europe and beyond.ā As such, he adds, the goal is to āmake sure our neighbors and friends feel like theyāre a big part of what weāre trying to do.ā
Still, the 20,000 anticipated attendees will land at an event site that is distinctly London, with Holness saying that Shoreditch āfeels in a way like a microcosm of what London is. Itās a hub of technology, but youāve also got incredible nightlife. Youāve got distinct diasporic communities in and around that area and obviously the whole of London. But I think [Shoreditch provides] a great opportunity for people who might not have been to London before to understand who we are and what weāre about.ā
SXSW London follows the 2023 debut of SXSW Sydney. The original event in Austin has been happening since 1987 and has grown to become one of the biggest events in the global music calendar, attracting hundreds of thousands of musicians, creatives, filmmakers, media companies and music industry executives to the state of Texas every March.
āI hope that the Austin and Sydney teams, when weāve done our take on it, feel proud of it as well,ā Holness says. āI hope they feel like it lives up to the incredible work theyāve done, but also has its own flavor.ā
In April 2021, it was announced that SXSW had signed a ālifelineā deal with P-MRC, a joint venture between Penske Media Corporation and MRC, making P-MRC a stakeholder and long-term partner with the Austin festival. P-MRC is the parent company of Billboard.
Travis Scott averaged $3.3 million per show from the first seven dates of the European and U.K. leg of his Circus Maximus Tour for a total of more than $23 million so far, according to figures reported by Live Nation. Scott landed in the U.K. on June 28 for two dates at GelreDome in Anthem, […]
ScHoolboy Q voiced his displeasure about the first show of his Blue Lips Weekend tour getting canceled, and he thinks the Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef has something to do with it.
The tour was set to kick off Thursday (July 18) with a sold-out show at History in Toronto, Canada, but Wednesday night, the TDE rapper alleged that the show was scrapped due to safety concerns. āThey just cancelled my show in Toronto,ā he tweeted Wednesday. āCanadian police donāt want nobody from TDE performing.ā
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THey just cancelled my sHow in TORONTO šā¦ CANADIAN POLICE DONT WANT NOBODY FROM TDE PERFORMING..ā ScHoolboy Q (@ScHoolboyQ) July 18, 2024
Q also mentioned Kendrickās camp has been keeping things on wax while alluding Drake ā who is from Toronto ā and OVO had something to do with the situation. He pointed out his label boss Top Dawg met up with Lil Wayne and Baby at the YouTube Leaders & Legends Gala, and that OVO artist Partynextdoor had just performed at the Hollywood Palladium. āTOP was just wit Wayne & Baby smH,ā he tweeted. āPartynextdoor just had a show at the palladium. If we wanted to get yāall we wouldāve just did it.. now when somebody gets hurt donāt cry.ā
TOP was just wit Wayne & Baby smH partynextdoor just Had a sHow @ tHe palladium š¤¦š¾āāļø if we wanted to get yall we wouldāve just did it.. now wHen sumbody get Hurt donāt cryā¦ā ScHoolboy Q (@ScHoolboyQ) July 18, 2024
He quickly got over it, though, and laughed at the irony and ridiculousness of it all. āActually I get it,ā he tweeted. āNevermind, this sāt is lowkey hilarious. I donāt know why Dot put me in that fāing video.ā
One fan replied to that tweet with a screenshot of ScHoolboy standing stoically in the āNot Like Usā video, to which the rapper poked fun at himself, tweeting, āCancelled is all I could think about.ā
History ā the venue ScHoolboy was set to perform in ā is owned by Live Nation in collaboration with Drake.
Billboard has reached out to Drake, History as well as Toronto law enforcement for comment.
Rick Ross was attacked after a show June 30 in Vancouver, B.C., as he walked off the stage with āNot Like Usā playing in the background. Back in 2018, Pusha T was also attacked while he was performing in Toronto.
Major rainfall and flooding have hit Toronto hard in recent days, leaving 100,000 residents without power. Drake posted a video of himself trying to control the flooding in his mansion to no avail.
Qās next tour stop is in Chicago this Saturday (July 20).

Deep Purple has had ample opportunities to hush itself, if you will, over the years.
The London-formed hard rock troupe has gone through the kinds of lineup changes during its 46 years that would have debilitated most bands. With Irish guitarist Simon McBride joining in two years ago to replace Steve Morse after an 18-year tenure, the Purple gang is on its Mark IXth lineup. Only drummer Ian Paice has been a fixture since 1968.
But bassist Roger Glover, who along with frontman Ian Glover was part of the famed Mark II ā i.e. Machine Head and āSmoke on the Waterā ā says there was never a thought of consigning Purple to the past.
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āWe canāt stop,ā Glover tells Billboard via Zoom from his home in Switzerland. āWe love what we do; thatās the bottom line. And weāve had the opportunity to carry on. Most bands donāt get that opportunityā¦well, I donāt follow bands that much, but certainly for us thatās been the case.āIām in my late ā70s (78) ā we all are except for the new guitarist, whoās in his early forties. Heās infused the band with a lot of energy. We may have been lacking a little ā but not much, I donāt think.ā
Glover says it was Deep Purpleās live performances with McBride that sparked the idea to make =1, due out July 19. Itās Deep Purpleās 23rd studio album and the follow-up to 2021ās covers set Turning to Crime. McBride had been playing with Purple keyboardist Don Airey in his own band for a number of years, which Glover and frontman Ian Gillan had both performed with in recent years. āHe seemed the only choice,ā Glover says. āWe didnāt even think about anyone else.
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āWhen Simon came in, the tour went very well,ā Glover adds. āEarly in the tour we said, āHey, we should make an album as soon as we can.ā So thatās what we did last year.ā Like its four predecessors, the 13-songs set was produced by Bob Ezrin, and the songs took shape via the band jamming together in Nashville rather than coming in with prepared material.
āThatās the way we work,ā Glover explains. āItās like a blank canvas when you go in the studio, all youāve got to do is fill it with noises. The songs arenāt written; they evolve from personalities and ideas. Someone starts a riff or something and weāre like, āThatās good. How about if you go to an F hereā¦or a B flat?ā Once weāve got the instrumental part, then Ian Gillan and I figure out whatās going on top, the words and the tunes. Obviously, they donāt just appear for no reason. We work at it.ā
Glover adds that the method has been a Deep Purple tradition since he and Gillan joined the band in 1969. āIn the early days, before Deep Purple In Rock (1970), we realized that the music came from playing, not from the head, therefore we should share the credits and thatās what we did since the early days, shared everything, no matter who came up with the idea. It was freeing in a way ā thereās no backbiting, no, āI like my idea better than yours,ā no jealousy. It was very healthy.ā
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The approach only changed once, says Glover, whoās in the process of writing a memoir. āWhen we had the reunion (in 1984) it didnāt go back to that ā maybe it couldnāt, you know?ā he remembers. āBut as soon as Steve Morse joined the band (in 1994), guess what? It went back to that, which was great. For a band like us, thatās the only way to work.ā
The process continues to be a welcome kind of āchallenge,ā according to Glover, who points to =1 tracks such as the album-closing āBleeding Obviousā as particularly challenging and requiring āa lot of workā to get right. Meanwhile the opening track, āShow Me,ā had a particularly interesting gestation that sounds like a rock nā roll warrior story that could have happened during the ā70s as much as the 2020s.
āWe were all invited to Alice Cooperās 75th birthday party with (Ezrin),ā Glover recalls. āWe finished early and Simon and Don (Airey) and I went to a bar and hit the tequila a bit too much and I fell over and really hurt my thumb. The next morning was the last day of writing sessions and my thumb was swollen all up and I couldnāt play anything. So I said, āExcuse me, lads, I have to get it checked out in a hospital or something,ā which I did. In the meantime, the idea of āShow Meā had started, but it was later on when we worked it out. I couldnāt imagine what Ian would sing over that until I was in Portugal with him and he just attacked it and found the right tune and everything, and we had the song.ā
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=1 has been preceded by three singles and videos, starting with āPortable Doorā in April, āPictures of Youā during June and āLazy Sodā at the beginning of July. =1ās release takes the quintet back on the road next month in North America, joining fellow British veterans Yes, which was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a year after Deep Purple. The 19-date co-bill begins Aug. 14 in Hollywood, Fla., and runs through Sept. 8 in Scranton, Pa.
āWe worked with them years ago in the ā70s,ā Glover says. āWe did some festivals together ā one in particular called the Plumpton Jazz and Blues Festival in ā71. Ian Gillan and I had only been in the band a couple of months at that point. There was an argument about whoād be closing the show, and they won the argument and were closing the show. Ritchie (Blackmore, Purpleās original guitarist) set fire to his amplifiers and made them explode on stage. So they were delayed a lot and werenāt very happy with that.ā
But, Glover says, bygones are bygones and he expects nothing but friendly relations this summer. āWeāve met them since. Theyāre a great band. We saw (Yes guitarist) Steve Howe a couple years ago. We got on, no hard feelings. I donāt know which state theyāre in now, which combination of musicians they have, so Iāll be happily surprised.ā
Two days after the announcement that Anyma will be the first electronic music act to play Sphere in Las Vegas, the artist and venue have added two additional shows to the run.
In addition to the previously announced December 31 show, Anyma will now also play Sphere on December 29-30. Ticket prices for the new events will be the same as the NYE show, with the general on sale starting July 23 and a presale happening on July 22.
The expansion of this Sphere run is being credited to āoverwhelming demandā by the showās promoter, Live Nation. Given that the concertās production elements are custom made for the tech forward venue, more dates also likely increases ROI for involved parties.
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Anyma, whose sound is focused on melodic techno, is made up of Italian producer Matteo Milleri, who is also one half of the electronic duo Tale of Us. The Sphere performance will find Anyma bringing his Genesys show to Las Vegas, marking the final times this show will be performed. The performance is officially titled Afterlife Presents Anyma: The End of Genesys and will feature yet to be announced special guests.
Named for Anymaās 2023 debut album,Ā GenesysĀ and its 2024 followupĀ Genesys II, the Genesys show has been performed for tens of thousands of people at venues in Asia, Europe, South America and beyond. The albums, like the corresponding visual performance, explore themes of technology, nature, humanity and coexistence. Afterlife is the label founded by Tale Of Us in 2016. Both Tale Of Us and Anyma have gained global renown for their visuals-focused production, which explores topics like evolution and consciousness.
Featuring lineups lead by Tale Of US, both Afterlife showcases at the Los Angeles State Historic Park last October were sold out. Last summer, Afterlife partnered with Interscope Records for a deal under which Interscope will distribute all Afterlife releases, including all past and future recordings.
While Las Vegas is a longstanding U.S. electronic music hub,Ā since openingĀ in September of 2023, Sphere has not, until now, featured the genre, instead focusing on rock with venue openersĀ U2, along with jam bands via residencies fromĀ PhishĀ andĀ Dead & Company. Classic rock will also move into the venue this fall withĀ a residencyĀ from theĀ Eagles.
In May, Sphereās parent company, Sphere Entertainment Co, reported that the venue generated revenue of $170.4 million in its fiscal third quarter ending March 31. Opened to much fanfare last September, the venue cost $2.3 billion to build.
Chief Keef was slated to hit the road for his A Lil Tour this week, but the 17-date North American trek has been postponed. Sosa announced on Wednesday (July 17) that A Lil Tour wonāt be going on as scheduled due to a health issue.
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āI apologize to all my fans. I know how much yall are expecting to see me and the Glo in yall city. But for health reasons Im postponing the tour until later this year. Yall can get a refund or hold onto your tickets for the new date. Be on the road real soon! ā Sosa,ā he wrote to his Instagram Story.
Live Nation issued a statement to UPROXX on behalf of Chief Keef, citing a medical emergency that he needs additional time to recover from.
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āTo my fans, Iām so sorry to announce this, but due to a medical emergency, Iāve been ordered to stay home to recover, so I have to postpone the tour. Those who bought tickets can opt for a refund or keep it for a future date. I intend to be back on the road soon,ā Keef said. āThank you, I love yāall.ā
The Lil Tour featured support from Lil Gnar, who is signed to the Chicago nativeās 43B label, along with the Glo Boyz.
The first of 17 shows was set to kick off in Boston on Tuesday (July 16), with upcoming stops in Detroit, Brooklyn, Philly, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami Beach, Houston, Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles and Phoenix, wrapping up in San Francisco on Aug. 13.
Chief Keef returned on the music side with his anticipated Almighty So 2 project in May, featuring guest appearances from G Herbo, Tierra Whack, Sexyy Red, Quavo and more. The drill pioneerās sequel to his 2013 mixtape reached No. 30 on the Billboard 200 and No. 10 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop AlbumsĀ chart.
As far as his next endeavor, Sexyy Red is teasing a joint project from herself and Sosa as they expand their collaborative relationship.
Find Chief Keefās statement regarding his postponed tour below.
At the beginning of 2013, Mike Luba says he dragged MumfordĀ & Sonsā Ben Lovett to Forest Hills Stadium in Queens on a sort of vision quest. He was working with the band on its Gentlemen of the Road Tour and knew that Lovett had grown up in the tennis town of Wimbledon, England. An avid tennis fan and player himself, Luba wanted to sell the band on āplaying a gig at the Wimbledon of New York.ā
Built in the 1920s, the stadium, which adjoins and is owned by the West Side Tennis Club (WSTC), had been the site of the U.S. Open for six decades and, in the ā60s and ā70s, hosted a series of landmark concerts by The Beatles, SimonĀ & Garfunkel, Barbra Streisand, Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan, to name a few. But those days had long since passed when Luba says Lovett ātook two steps into the site, which at that point had trees growing out of compost piles in the bowl and hadnāt been touched in decades. Ben looked at me and said, āThis is nothing like Wimbledon. Itās a total fucking train wreck. But we can do a proper rock show here.ā
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āThat was early 2013,ā Luba recalls. āThey played that August. Thatās how fast I did that.ā
Almost 11 years after that first concert, Forest Hills Stadium has evolved into the Chateau Marmont of outdoor venues. Luba and his team have restored much of its ā20s vintage vibe and rehabbed a dozen or so funkily decorated speakeasy-style rooms that ring the stadium floor. (One is entered through a port-a-potty; another, a phone booth.)
A self-described āhippie punk-rock dude,ā Luba says the stadium, which has a capacity of about 13,000, will stage ā30-ishā events this season in a hypercompetitive market for venues. Neil Young and Crazy Horse, The National, The War on Drugs, Khruangbin, TiĆ«sto, King GizzardĀ & The Lizard ĀWizard and Pitbull are among those that have played or will play this season. And in early June, Hozier sold out four nights ā a first in the stadiumās 101-year history.
Box office results have grown accordingly. In 2019, the stadium grossed $6.7Ā million; in 2023, it took in $22.1Ā million and finished at No.Ā 17 for the year among venues with capacities between 10,001 and 15,000, according to Billboard Boxscore. Along with that success, however, came an ongoing legal battle with the local homeowners association, the Forest Hills Gardens Corporation (FHGC), over alleged noise levels and unruly crowds.
Luba had much to say about the contretemps during this conversation with Billboard, which took place in the small hut where he works on the stadium grounds. He also discussed his unique employment arrangement. Luba is a partner in Tiebreaker Productions ā which holds a long-term lease to the stadium ā with his previous full-time employer, AEG, and its subsidiary The Bowery Presents, as well as some overachiever friends from his high school tennis team. Since last July, he is also Live Nationās executive vp of strategy. (Itās his second turn at the company: He worked with then-chairman Michael Cohl in the early 2000s.) Given the rivalry between the two live-industry giants, his dual roles can be a tightrope walk.
Eleven years later, how has the stadium evolved?
We realized early on that the place itself was inherently magical. So we just leaned into making it feel like when you come here itās in its 1920s state, but we are using 2024 technology. So much of the credit for that goes to [stadium GM] Jason Brandt and the work that was done. For years, every penny we made got poured back into it. The food and beverage program has totally been elevated. Iām personally most proud of the fact that we now have real bathrooms that are plumbed into the main sewer system of the city. Weāre tied into the power grid instead of having to bring in generators. Weāve put in tons of points of sale for bars so thereās no lines. The load-in went from being three days to four hours. You can pull your trucks right up to the stage. It has really reduced the impact on trucks coming in and out of the neighborhood.
āThe first time John McEnroe [second from left] came to see a show, he confirmed an urban legend that in 1977, the last year of the U.S. Open here, someone was shot in the shin. I said, āThatās crazy.ā He said, āThereās something even crazier. I once played tennis with Carlos Santana [left], Vitas Gerulaitis [second from right, who was once a member of the tennis clubās ground crew] and Meat Loaf [right].ā When I showed him this photo, he tried to take it off the wall. I literally had to wrestle it away from him.ā
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How did you build your season lineup from a few shows to around 30?
The second year we did five. That was right when I started at AEG. I did a walkaround with [chairman/CEO] Jay Marciano ā he had previously run the Garden ā who told me, āYou will never book more than six shows here. The competition is too much.ā I said, āJay, if it was just me, youāre probably right, but my partner Don Sullivan is one of the great promoters of all time. Thereās no way weāre not going to be able to book six fucking shows here.ā Sure enough, the second year we got five ā and the fifth one was a major favor. The first three seasons ā 2013, 2014 and 2015 ā were all bands that Iād either slept on their couch or they had slept on my couch. I had been their agent or their manager, and Jay and I were cashing in 30 yearsā worth of chips. Zero income.
What did you do to turn that around?
It was really word-of-mouth. The bands told other bands. The crews told other crews. And then people who came to shows told other people. Our original ticketing system was Ticketfly, so we had no mailing list. There was no institutional way to market.
When did your battle with the Forest Hills Gardens Corporation begin?
This was the first master-planned neighborhood ever in America, and it happened to include the tennis club and the stadium. The governing body is the Forest Hills Gardens Corporation, with whom we had an incredible relationship for a decade ā multiple presidents, multiple boards. Itās an all-volunteer board, and it changes every couple of years. We did everything in consultation with them, we paid them, and at the end of every season, we would sit down and have a postmortem of what was good, what was bad and give them a check.
They had an election, and a new president [Anthony Oprisiu] comes in. It turns out he has a serious grudge against the tennis club. There are all sorts of rumors about what it is. Whatever it is, thereās no rational anything. It doesnāt make any sense. [Editorās note: A spokesman for the FHGC denies this, saying, āThe FHGC board ā made up of 15 members ā voted unanimously to commence litigation because of the WSTC and Tiebreakerās unacceptable behavior.ā]
So this beef is more about the tennis club than the concerts?
Yeah, but weāre the easy target. The tropes are so prevalent: rockānāroll, people creating garbage, pissing everywhere, puking everywhere. And itās just not true. However, to the general public, it all sounds reasonable. This guy and like three to five board members are like the Matt Gaetzes, Marjorie Taylor Greenes ā the Freedom Caucus of Forest Hills. They are willing to destroy it for the 600 people who work here on every show and the more than 375,000 people who come here to enjoy the music.
Havenāt you also addressed their complaints about sound levels?
The first year we got here, the conventional wisdom was that in the old days, the sound was blowing up over the top of the stadium. So, we did a full acoustical study, and the engineer was like, look, in the ā60s you were basically plopping giant speakers on the stages and blasting it. The PAs now are so sophisticated with the line arrays that we can control the direction of it. He said, we can get it so that thereās no sound going over the top, but it will go down the stairwells. If you cover the stairwells, youāll trap 98% of it. Then, he said, āWhat step do you want the earmuffs to go on?ā Iām like, āMan, I donāt know what the hell youāre talking about.ā He said, if you tell me step six, when you hit step six going up to the seats, it will feel like earmuffs get put on your head. Then when you get six steps from the top, youāll feel like they come off.
Sure as shit, it totally works. We built these bass traps over what used to be kind of dodgy and scary stairwells up into the bowl and after the first show people were freaking out because theyād go into the stairwell and itās like a sensory deprivation thing. So, we put up signs that say, āYouāre standing in a bass trap,ā and something like, āThese walls were designed specifically to keep the music from reaching our neighbors who are right across the street.ā Working hand-in-hand with the DEP, weāve now built the same sort of enclosures over the ground-floor exits. Outside of putting a roof on it, every hole is blocked. We had Primus ripping on Saturday and there was a moment when I was in the concourse, and I was like, shouldnāt they be on?
āBob Dylan played air guitar to āTangled Up in Blueā on this racket his first time back at the stadium,ā Luba says.
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You gave the corporation a check at the end of each season, and they wanted more?
They wanted $100,000 a show instead of the $5,000 we were paying them. If we wanted to book 20 or more shows, it went to $200,000 a show.
How did they arrive at those numbers?
They made some calculation based on gross ticket sales and attendance, with zero knowledge of our costs. Basically, the only way we survive is selling beer. We have no parking. The bands take all the money, and weāre competing with [Madison Square] Garden, Barclays Center, Central Park, Prospect Park, UBS Arena, Jones Beach and on and on. No one is cutting anyone a deal. [Editorās note: According to the FHGC spokesman, due to its ādecadeslong relationshipā with the stadium, it did not charge the market price it charges other entities for closing its streets. He adds, āIn light of the stadiumās unwillingness to work in partnership with the FHGC, the FHGC is no longer willing to subsidize the operational costs of the stadium.ā]
Where do things stand now?
We got an injunction, which remains in place while this is being litigated. Most of the lawsuit is to make us follow the law and pull the proper permits, which weāve always done and will continue to do. The judge granted their request to have an independent sound monitor here for every show. We had suggested that the [Department of Environmental Protection] be the independent monitor. Theyāve dinged us when weāve been out of code. Theyāre a city agency. They have no horse in the race. Theyāve dinged us when weāve been out of code. But after the judge granted their request, they realized they would have to pay for the independent monitor ā because it was their request ā and they freaked out. Then they wrote a letter withdrawing the one thing that they won because when they won it, they went out to the neighborhood saying they had a triumphant, majestic win in court, and the neighbors were like, whoa, weāre paying for it?Ā
What does the tennis club make of this?
This tennis club is the largest member of the Forest Hills Gardens Corporation. They pay more dues than anyone else. They sued the board for breach of candor and breach of their fiduciary duty because essentially the club is going to be funding the lawsuit against itself. [Editorās note: In a statement, Oprisiu said, āFHGC remains open to a compromise that respects our community and historic norms of behavior at the club. To date, [the WSTC] and Tiebreaker have yet to share a meaningful proposal for our community to consider. Instead, they have recently tripled the number of events and focused on personal attacks on the board with offensive innuendos and gossip. Weāre confident in our legal standing as recently supported by the courtās ruling.ā]
You actually own a piece of Forest Hills, right?
The entity is called Tiebreaker Productions. Don Sullivan and I, my high school tennis team, and the guys at MTheory, JT Myers and Nat Pastor, put up the original bread. Then, the MTheory guys said, we donāt want to be in the venue business, and they sold their share to AEG. Then, when AEG acquired Bowery Presents, they got that share.
Youāre serious about the high school tennis team?
Dead serious. I have these five friends who have stayed friends since kindergarten. We all went to Wheatley High School in Old Westbury, Long Island. Some of us went to college together. At least once a year we try to get together, and it happened to be the night after I did the walkthrough here. By far, Iām the black sheep of this highly overachieving group. One guy was an incredible high school tennis player. He was considering turning pro but ended up going to Yale and was the best Ivy League tennis player. a freshman. When I explained that I wanted to keep Forest Hills Stadium independent and not sell it to AEG, he looked at me and said, āI love tennis. I love music. Letās try it.ā We were all blotto at that point. I said, āOkay man, tonight go home, take $2 million, put it in a suitcase, go out into your backyard and just torch it. If you can stomach that then welcome to the music business. He called me the next day and said his wife wouldnāt let him do the suitcase thing, but he still wanted to try it.
How did you come to work for Live Nation?
When my deal was potentially coming up at AEG, [Live Nation chief strategy officer] Jordan Zachary called. I was ready to move on. It finally all worked out, and Live Nation gave me this incredible opportunity. I get to work on tours with artists that I love and care about. I get to help them on [business development] when they do new building projects or any kind of venue stuff, and I get to participate a little bit on the big-picture strategy.
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How does Forest Hills fit in with your Live Nation work?
From day one, Forest Hills was an open room, like the Garden or the Staples Center. When AEG [took a stake in Tiebreaker], they became the promoter partner, but if there was a band that wanted Live Nation to promote their tour, they would come in. This year, half of the shows we do will be Live Nation and half will be Bowery. When I started back at Live Nation, we began to educate the industry that the idea of playing Jones Beach and Forest Hills is now possible. You look on a map and theyāre 27 or so miles apart, but for those who live here, they might as well be Mars and Jupiter. Thereās an ecosystem now where Pitbull can play Jones Beach and Forest Hills, as he will, and both will sell out.
How do you balance the Live Nation-AEG equation?
My real job is at Live Nation, and my partners here are Bowery and AEG. The companies clearly donāt like each other, so itās a little tricky. Thereās real-life proprietary shit that Iām dead serious about, and I keep it very, very separate. Thatās why I sit out here by myself. Iāll go into the Live Nation office once in a while, but I try to stay out of all the drama. Iām really thankful that both AEG and Live Nation let me exist in this space. And itās important to me that Live Nation understands that Iām on the Live Nation team. Itās a testament to Rapino and Jordan and that team being open-minded. I mean, I hated Live Nation.
Thatās right, you manage The String Cheese Incident, and they sued Ticketmaster for allegedly denying them their direct-to-fan ticket allotment. [The suit was settled.]
Yeah, we sued them under the antitrust act and we probably would have won. But now I see it from the other side that company is full of people who really love music, take real pride in their job, work really hard, and do it at a really high level.
Weāve reported on how Gen Z is not consuming as much alcohol as previous generations. Would you consider selling pot in the way, for instance, that Outside Lands has Grasslands?
I will consider as soon as itās legal. Thereās no reason not to. For me, alcohol is way more dangerous than marijuana. At least in New York State itās a really gray area. Iām by no means an expert on this, but I think itās mostly because itās not federally legal, so thereās no way for the banks ā no one knows how to deal with the money part of it. Until thereās some way to actually transact on it, I donāt think we can legally do it anywhere. Itās coming, though, for sure.
What are the most pressing issues facing the live business right now?
Climate change is making it very hard to do outdoor events. Iām worried that at some point they become uninsurable. Every morning, I wake up and multiple shows are canceled in places that have never had [weather issues], like 80-mile-an-hour winds shutting down Lovers & Friends in Las Vegas. And that happens over and over. Itās also become excruciatingly expensive. The supply chain issues are real, labor is real. Five years ago, you could get a bus for $5,000 a week. Theyāre now $13,000 a week. Itās really hard for bands to tour.
āThis is a bobblehead of the master electrician at the stadium, Tommy Sellers. He has been here for basically every show that has been at the stadium, and heās the spiritual leader for the crew.ā
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