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Zach Bryanâs âSomething in the Orangeâ spent six weeks atop Billboardâs Hot Country Songs chart. But the track wasnât recorded anywhere near Nashville â it was crafted alongside producer Ryan Hadlock, over 2,000 miles away at Bear Creek, the rustic barn-turned-studio that Hadlockâs parents had built in 1977 just outside of Seattle, not far from the birthplace of grunge. The genre-fluid song didnât just top the country chart â it peaked at No. 10 on the Billboard Hot 100 and topped the Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart, too.
âEven the term âcountry musicâ is almost becoming passĂŠ in some ways because in working with Zach, in a lot of ways, he doesnât really consider himself a straight-up country musician,â says Hadlock, who also produced Bryanâs âFrom Austin.â âHeâs a singer-songwriter who happens to be from Oklahoma, has an accent and sings about the world heâs in⌠I think he will be doing amazing things for a really long time.â
Within Nashville, too, a similar genre-mashing ethos has bubbled up on hits such as Morgan Wallenâs muted, acoustic-based chart juggernaut âLast Night,â which spent 16 nonconsecutive weeks atop the Hot 100 in 2023. âHe has one of those magical voices that allows him to span multiple formats, really,â says producer Joey Moi, who has worked with Wallen since his debut album. âHe can sing a traditional country song, or over a hip-hop, contemporary production or a contemporary country production, and it still sounds like a Morgan Wallen song.â
As more and more country tracks have risen to the upper reaches of the Hot 100 this past year, many of the standouts â not only âSomething in the Orangeâ and âLast Night,â in addition to other tracks by Bryan and Wallen, but also Luke Combsâ rendition of Tracy Chapmanâs âFast Carâ (which reached No. 2), Bailey Zimmermanâs âRock and a Hard Placeâ (which hit the top 10) and Jelly Rollâs rock and country-blending âNeed a Favorâ (which broke into the top 20) â demonstrate an instinct for crafting sounds that appeal beyond the genre.
A mix of newcomers and veterans, they include Hadlock; Wallenâs âLast Nightâ producers, Moi and Charlie Handsome; Zimmerman producer Austin Shawn; Combsâ âFast Carâ co-producers, Jonathan Singleton and Chip Matthews; and Jelly Roll producer Austin Nivarel.
Notably, many of these studio creatives have rĂŠsumĂŠs that extend beyond country. Before working with Big Loud artists like Wallen and Florida Georgia Line, Moi produced Canadian rock band Nickelback. Hadlock has worked with names ranging from Foo Fighters to Brandi Carlile, while Handsomeâs credits include Post Malone, Kanye West, Juice WRLD and Lil Wayne.
For Wallen and Bryan, scaled-back production proved essential to the genre-traversing success of their respective hits. âWe purposefully kept it simple,â Moi says of âLast Night.â âThere are a handful of parts going on, but itâs more about the negative space and making it about the story, the vocal and the instrumental that runs throughout. It lends itself to being accessible by more lanes as far as radio formats; it was tougher to define as just a country song, or just a pop song or [adult top 40] song. It kind of fit everywhere.â
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Moi says the songâs sparse production partially resulted from Wallenâs own creative inclinations. âMy natural instinct is to build these larger-than-life productions, and Morgan is great about coming behind me and being like, âTake this out and that part out,â making sure Iâm not doing too much on certain things,â Moi says. âIâd say he has had his best opportunity on the last two records to really imprint upon every aspect of it, from the songwriting to demos to our approach to tracking in the studio and postproduction. You can hear his contemporary, youthful thoughts over all of it.â
Similarly, Hadlock notes the minimal production on âSomething in the Orange,â which utilized vintage mics and gear. âSometimes old equipment is better at capturing emotion, and part of it is having a good room; I think people donât always realize how much an instrument the room is that people are playing in,â says Hadlock, whose goal was a recording that sounded like Bryan was âplaying right in front of you,â that would make âpeople listen to it and say, âWow, thatâs an amazing live recording.â â
For Shawn, the freedom to experiment was key in landing the right feel for Zimmermanâs âRock and a Hard Place.â He and Zimmerman produced the song a half-dozen different ways before landing on the approach they used for the final recording. âWe produced an almost John Mayer-esque, real smooth-sounding [version], then the acoustic version and one that was a dark piano ballad, with strings and fiddle that sounded almost like you were listening to a country Goo Goo Dolls song,â Shawn says.
As he did with âFall in Love,â Shawn incorporated a âthree-minute-long sample of just windâ into âRock and a Hard Place.â âIt feels like you are in a desert, and I wanted to feel that open style â we added fiddle and pedal steel, just subtly to bring out the emotive aspect. We wanted this song to feel like you could play it on acoustic guitar, but at the same time, it can still fit into a country radio modern format.â
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Shawn, who co-wrote Zimmermanâs âFall in Love,â recalls the no-barriers approach he and Zimmerman took early on in developing his sound. âWe thought about the kinds of songs he would want to hear and made the music as fans, just encompassing everything we love⌠Thereâs no gimmicks with this kid. His gift is making the music that defines him and his lifestyle.â
Ultimately, producers who encourage such experimentation â whether Combsâ cover of a 1980s folk-pop classic, Bryanâs poetic blend of country, folk and rock or Wallenâs country-to-hip-hop range â have shaped songs that are resonating with a multitude of listeners.
âHe has always wanted to stay in the country lane, but we all knew he had a sort of contemporary side,â Moi says of Wallen. âIf we planted our roots and built our foundation in a good spot, [we knew] weâd have the opportunity to explore other genres, and I think weâre in a sweet spot for that right now.â
This story originally appeared in the Oct. 7, 2023, issue of Billboard.
When producers Carter Lang and ÂThankGod4Cody worked on SZAâs culture-Âshifting 2017 debut album, Ctrl, the vibes were cozy and casual.
âWeâd all bunker up and pretty much camp out in the stuâ and just be making stuff for weeks, if not months, at a time. Those adventures bonded us for life,â says Lang, 32. Adds Cody, 31: âI donât even remember what the ultimate goal was except for making a fire album.â
But that âfire albumâ â one thatâs still sizzling on the Billboard 200, 329 weeks after it debuted at No. 3 â created lots of unpredictable âpandemonium,â Lang says, from fans and the industry, and substantially raised the stakes for SZA, who waited five years before she released its follow-up, SOS.
âThere was a little pressure to help her complete the tasks that she had at hand and for her to be happy with the final product and not have a sophomore slump,â Cody says. Yet re-creating Ctrlâs mellow, free-flowing and dependable environment was crucial to ensuring the artist felt comfortable enough to produce another masterpiece. Upon its release, SOS spent 10 nonconsecutive weeks at No. 1 on the Billboard 200, bolstering SZAâs superstar status. She earned her first Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 with âKill Bill,â which she made with Lang and Rob Bisel, 31, both of whom also worked on other SOS top 10 hits âGood Days,â âNobody Gets Meâ and âI Hate Uâ (the lattermost of which Cody also co-wrote and co-produced).
âThe three of us are the people she probably would trust the most to finish the music and bring it home,â says Cody, who with Lang and Bisel has credits on 19 of SOSâ 23 songs. âI feel like we all were involved in everything, except the artwork. It was like a group project in college.â
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Cody met SZA in 2014, when he was working closely with her Top Dawg Entertainment labelmate Isaiah Rashad, after she heard Cody making a beat in the room next door, came in and spontaneously recorded the song âSobriety.â A year later, Lang â who had been working with R&B and hip-hop artists from his Chicago hometown like Chance the Rapper and Ravyn Lenae â ran into SZA at a studio and soon after joined her band while she toured her third EP, Z. He eventually met Cody at TDEâs Carson, Calif., headquarters while working on Ctrl.
Around Ctrlâs release, Bisel briefly met SZA while she was recording at Rick Rubinâs Malibu, Calif., studio, Shangri-La, where he had worked his way up from intern to house engineer. The two eventually reconnected at the beginning of 2020, when he flew out to Rubinâs house in Hawaii to help her record SOS. The album was not only made all over the place â from Langâs Glendale, Calif.-based studio to SZAâs Malibu home to Westlake Recording Studios â but also with a variety of other producers, like Jay Versace, Michael Uzowuru and even Babyface.
âBack in the day, it would be Timbaland or Pharrell [Williams] and one person, or just them. Now itâs you and six other people, and you might figure out that there are two other people you had no idea about afterward,â Cody explains. âYou have to be comfortable with collaboration. Itâs a must at this point.â
Set the scene when youâre working with SZA. Whatâs her creative approach like?
Carter Lang: She takes her time to get in her zone, so itâs about being patient with each other. I can just sit there and jam on something or play beats and not feel like weâre giving any invisible pressure to each other to create. The music can really inspire [her], and sheâll just want to riff on something. It feels more like vibing out around a campfire.
How do you all work with each other and the other collaborators SZA brings into the fold?
Lang: We might be in different places, but the day after, weâll be in communication about what has happened. Weâll send a track around, or sheâll incubate it. Having our own studios and then being able to converge Âwithout having to be in the same place is Âspecial, and that was created by our friendships and how fond we are of each other. We trust each otherâs voices and what weâre going to put on the track.
Rob Bisel: It was a lot of jamming. [With] âSeek & Destroy,â that was all of us hanging out one afternoon like, âAll right, we got to make something more upbeat.â It just felt like everyone was doing one thing at once, and, suddenly, a track fell into place.
Lang: That one was like butter. I stepped out of the room for a second and came back and saw all three of you guys [Cody, Bisel and Tyran âScumâ Donaldson] ripping on your parts. I was like, âOK, this is obviously a crazy moment.â
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Are you surprised by SOSâ tremendous success?
Bisel: I knew people would love it, but I didnât know commercially how that would be reflected. I thought it would do well, but 10 weeks [at No. 1] is insane. Iâm still processing that one. There was some stat about Aretha Franklin that we beat [becoming the longest-reigning No. 1 on Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums by a solo woman, beating out Franklinâs 1968 set, Aretha Now] and that one was like, âWhoa.â
Why do you think âKill Billâ resonated so much?
Lang: It had this personality to it already. You can just see a cartoon playing out in your brain. The fact that people loved it and lifted it up like that echoes the sentiment of being able to put your thoughts out there in the most authentic and even aggressive way, but over such a sweet-sounding, psychedelic-sounding beat.
Bisel: A pretty common piece of wisdom youâll hear from producers and songwriters [is], âMake the music that you would want to listen to yourself.â And that was 1,000% the case with that song. The first night we made it, I was like, âWow, I think we really did something special.â I vividly remember [Cody being] one of the early believers in that song.
ThankGod4Cody: I remember we were talking about how to make [the title] appropriate. (Laughs.)
Bisel: I remember thinking, âI wonder if we need to give this a more on-the-nose title, like âKill My Exâ or something.â But the more we lived with the âKill Billâ title, I was like, âAh, this feels cool. I think itâll stick with people.â
Itâs fascinating how cohesive the album is, given how stylistically different the tracks are. How were you able to balance them out?
Cody: Even though it is different, itâs still all of us. We all listen to everything, including her. Weâll come back and be playing new music that each other has found, and itâs the most random music youâll probably ever hear.
Bisel: But at the end of the day, sheâs writing all of these songs and they come from such a genuine place. That is the glue that binds it all together.
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How have you seen SZA grow while making SOS?
Lang: Sheâs always exceeding her own potential. When I finally saw the tour and how insane she was going with her choreography, range and stamina, and then recalling all the moments we rocked out onstage, it really hit me. The transformation was super apparent. She feels refreshed and revitalized and excited to perform her music. She sounds so amazing, always has, but she has grown into her voice so well.
Bisel: She was already a pretty phenomenal writer when I met her, but her pen got sharper and more personal. I also think she got a lot faster, and the process of writing became even more natural to her the more time she spent working on this album. Sheâd have songs like âI Hate Uâ or âKill Billâ where she would write them in under an hour. The ideas flowed more effortlessly from her.
How have you seen yourselves grow?
Lang: I learned a different level of collaboration where I really get a kick out of watching my friends play instruments. [Before], I used to want to be a part of everything and play, play, play. Being a backboard in the most neutral way and just letting the music happen was a different part of the process.
Bisel: [Working on SOS] forced me to step up. [When it comes to] my own creative output, [I] made so much stuff. For every song that I worked on that made the album, I probably made 100. It forced me to be more resilient and knowing you got to keep stepping up to the plate no matter how many times you strike out.
Cody: I learned what producing really consists of and how itâs deeper than music. Itâs [about] you setting the vibe of the whole room, setting the vibe for the day and making sure that the artist is good and comfortable and in the best space to get out whatever ideas they have.
This story originally appeared in the Oct. 7, 2023, issue of Billboard.
âEvery year ends, and I think to myself, âThat was a little crazy!â â Jack Antonoff says with a laugh. âIt shouldnât feel familiar, but it does.â Thatâs because the 39-year-old studio polymath has rarely experienced a quiet 12-month period over the past decade, juggling multiple production and songwriting projects while fronting his own band, Bleachers.
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During the past year, Antonoff has helped steer Taylor Swiftâs mega-selling Midnights, Lana Del Reyâs sweeping Did You Know That Thereâs a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd and The 1975âs ultra-catchy Being Funny in a Foreign Language, while also prepping Bleachersâ fourth full-length. He has signed a new label deal with Dirty Hit Records, brought in label founder Jamie Oborne as manager and inked a new deal with Universal Music Publishing Group. (âIt doesnât feel like anythingâs shaken up, just that the teamâs got a couple new members,â Antonoff says of the moves.) All the while, heâs eyeing a potential fifth consecutive producer of the year, non-classical Grammy nomination and third straight win, which would be the first three-peat in the category this century should it occur.
Two years ago, Antonoff shared with Billboard his seven habits of highly effective producers. As he hunkers down in the studio for the next few months â finishing Bleachersâ follow-up to 2021âs Take the Sadness Out of Saturday Night and generally âchipping away at stuffâ â he revealed his latest takeaways from his past yearâs work.
Donât Let Commercial Gains Distract in a Creative Space
Case study: Taylor Swift, âAnti-Heroâ
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Midnights scored the biggest Billboard 200 debut of Swiftâs career and her Eras Tour became the summerâs hottest stadium ticket, but Antonoff says that he marvels at how his frequent collaborator keeps her level of superstardom very much outside the studio. âThereâs not a lot of panning back in the room â âWhoa, look at this [achievement], look at that!â â because that would feel like popping the balloon,â he explains. âWhen I work with Taylor, thereâs still just this person who has these life experiences and this remarkable gift of writing about them.â
See: âAnti-Hero,â the lead single from Midnights that sardonically prods at Swiftâs insecurities. âWhen we made âAnti-Hero,â I just thought, âWow, thatâs so honest and funny, and also so sweet and so sad,â â Antonoff recalls, adding that the song, which became Swiftâs longest-leading Hot 100 chart-topper earlier this year, wouldnât have worked if they had been preoccupied by her radio appeal during its creation. âIt has this weird beat going through a tremolo â no part of me was like, âFâking A, thatâs the song to take over the world!â â
Sometimes the Spark Takes TimeâŚ
Case study: The 1975, âPart of the Bandâ
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âWho would you want to work with?â Itâs a question Antonoff often hears, and one he finds impossible to answer. âI can only want to work with someone based on knowing them and seeing where theyâre going,â he says. When Antonoff met The 1975, he envisioned a creative partnership where he could add to the bandâs sound on its fifth album â but still experienced âthat weird kind of early-relationship stuffâ on Being Funny in a Foreign Language, his first project with the British rock group.
âPart of the Band,â the restrained, stream-of-consciousness lead single, helped alleviate some of that awkwardness. âIt wasnât the first thing we did,â Antonoff recalls, âbut thereâs a big difference between the first thing you do and the moment that youâre like, âOh, sh-t. We have that ability.â Anyone can get in a room and carve out a song and make it sound halfway cool, but the idea of collaborating with people is doing something bigger than the sum of the parts.â Ultimately, âPart of the Bandâ unlocked the rest of Being Funny in a Foreign Language, which spun off five top 40 hits on the Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart.
âŚAnd Sometimes a Hit Can Take a Really Long Time
Case study: Taylor Swift, âCruel Summerâ
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âThat was always one of my favorite songs Iâd ever done,â Antonoff says of Swiftâs Lover standout, a synth-pop fantasia that became a fan favorite upon the 2019 albumâs release. âCruel Summerâ didnât become a hit single during the Lover album cycle, which was curtailed due to the pandemic, and Antonoff made peace with its cult-classic status. But earlier this year, as the song became the centerpiece of the opening of Swiftâs mega-selling Eras tour, âCruel Summerâ began soaring in streams, then in radio play, and climbed all the way to No. 3 on the Hot 100, morphing into one of the defining songs of the summer of 2023.
âIt was just like, a huge thumbs-up from the universe,â Antonoff says of the songâs viral resurgence this year. âI take it all as a reminder to do what you believe in, make the songs you believe in. You never want to do anything that you donât believe in for the sake of success, because the only thing worse than doing something you donât believe in is being recognized for that thing! ⌠With [âCruel Summerâ], I loved that it existed, and didnât need anything more from it. Itâs just this bizarre icing on the cake.â
Ambition Comes in Many Forms
Case study: Lana Del Rey, âA&Wâ
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Antonoff says that his most frequent collaborators share the characteristic of âbecoming obsessed with understanding what their ambition is and how to access it constantlyâ rather than resting on their laurels. That creative curiosity manifests itself in different ways: For Swift, after the indie-folk storytelling on folklore and evermore in 2020, âThere was this sense of blazing out of the cabinâ with the personal pop of Midnights. Meanwhile, The 1975 came to Antonoff after several winding, esoteric full-lengths, and he helped push Being Funny in a Foreign Language into uncharted territory for the band: a tight, interlude-free pop-rock record.
For Del Reyâs Did You Know That Thereâs a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd, the seven-minute centerpiece, âA&Wâ â which begins as a folk lament before flipping into a trap refrain midway through â resulted from experimenting with other album tracks like âPeppersâ and âTaco Truck x VB,â mashing up sounds until arriving at the most innovative structure possible, according to Antonoff. âThis sprawling thing was the most ambitious thing to do. A song like âA&Wâ is just an example of what happens when you just know people so well that you can really support each other into strange places.â
Make an Entrance
Case study: Bleachers, âModern Girlâ
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Bleachersâ upcoming fourth album, which Antonoff and his six-piece group made with co-producer Patrik Berger and a few special guests, translates the jubilance of the bandâs live show into a studio setting. Not every song is as boisterous as âModern Girl,â released in September as the projectâs lead single, but for Antonoff, its 1980s-indebted mix of jittery vocal energy and uncorked saxophone blasts captured âenough left-field sh-t that speaks to where the album is goingâ and was the obvious introduction.
âPutting out albums is like pulling at both the past and the future, and âModern Girlâ just felt like this perfect shock and comfort moment, both honoring where Bleachers has been and where itâs going,â he says of the new album, due next year. âIâve always believed in this âhouseâ mentality of just understanding what an album is, and âModern Girlâ just feels like the biggest front door.â
A version of this story originally appeared in the Oct. 7, 2023, issue of Billboard.
âI just need to make one edit. Could we start talking while I do it?â Mike Dean asks, lowering himself into a leather office chair in his Los Angeles home studio.
He swivels his seat to face a widescreen monitor and scrolls through scores of waveforms in his Pro Tools session, searching for the right spot to doctor. Itâs a song from Diddyâs just-released The Love Album: Off the Grid called âAnother One of Meâ (featuring The Weeknd, French Montana and 21 Savage), and mere days before its Sept. 15 release, Dean has been tasked with crafting a slightly cleaner version of 21âs verse.
Despite the clear urgency of the work, Dean appears unfazed, steady. âItâs OK. I like to do eight things at a time,â he explains while he rotates among vocal editing, answering questions, FaceTiming a manager and ripping from his bong. This is not the first time the writer, producer and engineer has performed last-minute miracles for an A-listerâs song â and it certainly wonât be the last.
Deanâs stoicism and keen editing ear are among the many reasons he has been hip-hopâs most in-demand collaborator for decades, often skillfully guiding the genreâs most temperamental and perfectionistic talents â from Kanye West to Travis Scott to Jay-Z â to complete their best work.
He recalls the February 2016 evening when West played his seventh studio album, The Life of Pablo, for fans at Madison Square Garden in New York. With a packed house of nearly 20,000 at the arena and 20Â million tuned in at home through a livestream, West shared a sampling of its tracks, including now essential hits like âFamousâ and âUltralight Beam.â As on the six West albums that had preceded it, Dean was a trusted collaborator in creating Pablo. Fans waited well past the eventâs scheduled start time, but few could have guessed the reason for the delay: Almost none of the songs were done.
âIt was crazy,â recalls Dean as he clicks over to his camera roll on the monitor, searching back to the photos he took that night. âWe had 16 songs unfinished. I think we finished something like four songs, gave them to Kanye, and he went down there and played that shit in front of 20,000 people.
âThen I finished some more and rushed from the studio. We had to jump out of the cab about 10 blocks before the arena because the traffic was so bad,â he continues, still searching for that specific night on his camera roll, casually whisking his cursor past other culture-defining moments in the process: The Weekndâs headlining Coachella set, Westâs Yeezus-era Saturday Night Live performance and many raucous Scott shows. âI ran to MSG, fought to get to the basement and then to the floor and gave him the memory stick.â
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Finally, Dean locates one of the pictures of that night. In it, West stands in the center of the frame in a red long-sleeve shirt and black baseball cap, arms lifted above his head. Under the halo of a white spotlight, he appears to be leading a religious rite rather than a listening party. Dean stands to Westâs right sporting a flat bill hat from MWA, his label, and a slick black windbreaker. Despite the preceding chaos, Deanâs countenance betrays no signs of alarm. âIâm calm, really,â he says with a shrug, zooming in on himself in the background. âIâll put a memory stick in a computer in front of thousands of people.â
His most prolific relationship of all is with West, whom the Texas born-and-bred producer-engineer met when he was still living in Houston circa 2002. In the preceding years, Dean had become a local legend, defining the sound of the Dirty South by producing, writing and mixing records for Geto Boys and Scarface and touring with acts like Selena.
âKanye first came to my house when he was working on his mixtape, songs like âThrough the Wire.â I remember he had on a backpack and tight pants,â he says with a laugh. âYou know, people in Texas donât wear tight pants.â
Though West has now cycled through dozens â if not hundreds â of other creative collaborators throughout his career, Dean has been his singular through line. He has been with the artist from mixing parts of The College Dropout (2004) to producing much of Donda 2 (2022). He says the key to fostering such long-term relationships with artists, including West, is to not âtry to follow them too muchâ and âstand up for what [I think] is rightâ for a song. âYou let them do their thing but steer them in the right direction,â he says, though he admits âthat gets harder, though, as they get bigger and bigger.â (Dean declined to comment about the current status of his creative relationship with West.)
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Don Toliver, who worked on his 2020 hit âAfter Partyâ with Dean, says he loves collaborating with the producer because he is âthe ultimate badass at mixing and mastering. If Tony Montana from Scarface worked in the music industry, he would be Mike Dean, deep into his craft and bringing that essence and vibe to the music as well.â
But Deanâs best-known strength is his penchant for synthesizers. From where he sits in his studio, these analog instruments cocoon him, stacked in columns up and down all four walls of the room. He points out a few of his favorites: a Memory Moog from 1978, the latest Prophet from Dave Smith Instruments. Then Dean gestures across the room to a clunky keyboard with colorful knobs and buttons and wood grain siding. âThatâs the one Michael [Jackson] played âBillie Jeanâ on. Thatâs the most important synth in the room,â he says, beaming. Of course, he has other favorites in storage â in his two garages, his other studio or his Texas house.
In recent years, some Dean acolytes have dubbed him âThe Synth God.â âEvery year, I turn the synths up a couple dBs [decibels],â he jokes. âOn [Westâs 2005] Late Registration, the synths were really tucked in, but since then it has just gotten louder and louder.â
While many of his contemporaries add so-called âproducer tagsâ â audio identifiers on tracks where they stake their claim â Dean mostly shies away from that. âMy sound is usually my tag,â he says matter-of-factly. Itâs a claim thatâs evident on records that feature what has become known as a Mike Dean Outro â a 30-second- to minute-long ending devoted to Deanâs transcendent synth work; one of the best-known examples is on Scottâs 2019 single âHighest in the Room.â Of the 59 total producer credits and 106 songwriter credits Dean has amassed on the Billboard Hot 100, âHighest in the Roomâ is one of his few No. 1s (along with Scottâs Drake-featuring âSicko Modeâ and Kid Cudi collaboration âThe Scottsâ). âThatâs when the outro really went viral,â he says, though that was far from its first iteration. He has been doing these characteristic endings since Westâs âStrongerâ in 2007. âI just always jam on songs as much as possible⌠But [the outros are] becoming almost clichĂŠ to me now,â he says.
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Savvy rap fans have known about Dean since the 2000s â or earlier, if they followed Houston hip-hop â but the producer, 58, has intentionally increased his visibility in recent years. During the COVID-19 lockdowns, Dean started to see himself as more of an artist in his own right. He began a series of solo albums, released annually every April since 2020, each titled 4:20, 4:21, 4:22 and, most recently, 4:23.
He also started livestreaming as he played around on his synths, building avant garde instrumentals from scratch as teenagers frantically sent goat and fire emojis in the chat. The videos let Dean be more transparent with his process, and they amassed a following quickly, even among his famous friends like The Weeknd â who texted Dean, âYou should open for me on tour.â Soon he was performing with the singer in stadiums around the world. To keep up with his other musical commitments, Dean worked out of a 10-foot-by-10-foot makeshift studio, designed for the back of his tour bus.
âIt wasnât too hard to work out of there, really,â he explains. âI did Travisâ second album in the back of a bus once. Plenty of my songs have been made like that.â It was during that time on the road, he says, that he created much of the songs and score for The Idol, the dark HBO drama co-created by The Weeknd and Euphoria producer Sam Levinson. The show was widely panned and ultimately canceled; one of its highlights, however, was Deanâs scoring work and soundtrack. Apart from co-writing the score for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II, The Idol was Deanâs first major gig as composer, and his synth mastery laid the perfect morose undertone for the action onscreen.
Dean himself was also written into the show, playing âMike Dean,â and furthering his mystique. In his first scene, he arrived in a matte black Tesla, emerging from the carâs butterfly doors in a fog of smoke, bong in tow â a meme-worthy entrance caricaturing his real-life demeanor and pot habit. It was Levinsonâs idea: âI was first approached about Euphoria season two,â Dean says, which ultimately did not happen. âThen they asked me if I wanted to do music for The Idol, and when I met Sam, he asked me, âWell, do you want to be in the show, too?â I guess he thought I was funny.â
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But moving forward, Dean says TV and film work isnât a priority: âIâd work on some select projects but not too much. Iâm looking more at being an artist and putting out my own music and touring than anything else right now.â And as usual, heâs dutifully at work behind the scenes on the yearâs biggest records. In 2023, he has already lent his expertise to Scottâs Utopia, the Idol soundtrack and Metro Boominâs Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse soundtrack. And because Dean is never entirely predictable, he also worked on Paranoia, Angels, True Love by Christine and the Queens.
âI donât work much,â he insists. âI just smoke weed and fâking hang out and make music â itâs not work.â He swiftly turns his head to look back at the monitor, refocusing. âSorry,â he says. âI actually need to get to editing this.â
This story will appear in the Oct. 7, 2023, issue of Billboard.
âWe all must make a choice â to be a hero or a villain.â
The familiarity of Morgan Freemanâs commanding voice couldnât calm down the fans â 80,000 of them, reportedly â standing around Coachellaâs Sahara Tent. The perilous tone of his monologue, paired with producer Mike Deanâs sinister synths, stressed the festivalâs need for a hero. And comic book animations projected on either side of the stage illustrated there was only one man for the job.
Wearing a custom black Chrome Hearts suit, a masked Metro Boomin emerged from beneath the stage, his purple cross-embroidered cape fluttering in the desert wind. But regardless of the Academy Award-winning actorâs resounding introduction, it was the usually soft-spoken producerâs booming voice that caught festivalgoers â and one of his many guest performers â by surprise when he greeted the crowd.
âWhen we was done, Future kept telling me, âBro, I ainât know who the fâk was talking!â â Metro recalls. â âI ainât know you could do that! You be in a room and just be so quiet.â â
Futureâs description of our heroâs usual alter-ego is true today as Metro sits at his own Boominati Studios in North Hollywood. He isnât cloaked in his luxe costume; instead, heâs wearing a black Barriers hoodie with the image of Michael Jacksonâs moonwalking silhouette highlighted by a baby blue spotlight. One of the studioâs ceiling lights floods him in the same blue as the bandanna wrapped around his tri-colored dreads.
He has gotten more comfortable in the spotlight lately. Over the last decade, Metro, 30, has transformed from a behind-the-scenes trap beat-maker to one of rapâs most in-demand producers. He has managed to take over pop music, too, and without compromising his signature sound, which is characterized by eerie synth loops, 808s, soulful samples and orchestral finishes and branded by his notorious producer tags. (âMetro Boomin want some more, nâa!â) So far, he has produced 115 Billboard Hot 100 songs, including 10 top 10 hits, among them Post Maloneâs Quavo-featuring âCongratulationsâ and Futureâs âMask Off,â and two No. 1s, Migosâ âBad and Boujeeâ (featuring Lil Uzi Vert) and The Weekndâs âHeartless.â
But Metroâs latest solo album, Heroes & Villains â which he released Dec. 2, 2022, on Republic Records and his own label, Boominati Worldwide â continued his ascent into rarefied air: the producer-turned-successful artist. The sequel to his 2018 debut album, Not All Heroes Wear Capes, which topped the Billboard 200, and the second installment of an ongoing trilogy, Heroes & Villains built on Metroâs own cinematic universe, adding depth to his sound with more live instrumentation, like the horns on âSuperhero (Heroes & Villains)â or the choral vocals on âUmbrella,â and assembling hip-hop Avengers like 21 Savage, Young Thug, Travis Scott and Don Toliver to perform their melodic and slick-tongued superpowers.
Heroes & Villains became Metroâs third No. 1 album, earning his biggest opening week yet, with 185,000 equivalent album units (according to Luminate), and its lead single, âCreepinâ,â with The Weeknd and 21 Savage â a remake of Mario Winansâ 2004 R&B smash âI Donât Wanna Knowâ (featuring Diddy and Enya) â spent the first half of 2023 in the Hot 100âs top 10, peaking at No. 3. Between Heroes & Villainsâ No. 1 debut and Lil Uzi Vertâs Pink Tape, which topped the Billboard 200 in July, no other rap album reached No. 1 on the list, making it the longest wait in a calendar year for a rap album to lead the chart since 1993 (the year Metro was born).
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The albumâs success was unsurprising to those paying attention to Metroâs creative promotion strategy for Heroes & Villains. He tapped Freeman, who narrated Metro and 21âs chart-topping album, Savage Mode II, to star alongside him in an action-packed short film directed by Gibson Hazard that also featured actor LaKeith Stanfield, Young Thug and Gunna. The clip kicked off his extensive rollout, which also involved an on-the-nose way to reveal the albumâs featured artists.
A$AP Rocky had texted him one day about âthis artist on Instagram that was doing all these comic book covers for hip-hop artists. And I was like, âDamn, this sh-t looks crazy,â â he recalls. âI DMâd [the artist, Alejandro Torrecilla], and I was like, âYo, Iâm finna start rolling my album out in three, four weeks. What if you did a cover for every artist on here and I just roll out the features that way?â â
The promotional efforts didnât stop once the album was out: Metro embarked on a four-city in-store CD signing tour, debuted a live beat-making hologram of himself in Los Angeles and Miami, and projected his Heroes signal (from the cover of Not All Heroes Wear Capes) around the world (literally). âHe was more in peopleâs face,â says Republic vp of marketing strategy Xiarra-Diamond Nimrod, who has worked with Metro since 2017. â[With Not All Heroes Wear Capes], we didnât have as many in-store components. But this time around, we wanted him to have that interaction with [fans] and bring them into his world.â
The heightened visibility around Metro allowed the superproducer to transform into a superstar, separate from the ones with whom he regularly records. And more public-facing opportunities outside of music helped turn him into a household name: Earlier this year, he starred in and produced the music for Budweiserâs Super Bowl LVII ad and teamed up with the MLB Network for its Opening Day video, which was soundtracked by âOn Timeâ and âTranceâ from Heroes & Villains.
âThatâs one of the things we discussed when we first met: Do you want to be that low-key producer who you know some of their songs but you can walk right past them today and not know who they were? Or do you want to be out and known, like Swizz Beatz, Timbaland or Pharrell [Williams]?â says his manager, Ryan Ramsey. âThe numbers heâs doing on his own albums show heâs at that level where people are going to see him and say, âHey, thatâs Metro Boomin.â â Ramsey, who also manages Brandy, has represented Metro for the last two years under SALXCO, alongside the management companyâs founder and CEO, Wassim âSalâ Slaiby; SALXCO vp of A&R Rahsaan âShakeâ Phelps; and Amir âCashâ Esmailian through his own YCFU management company.
And while his No. 1 rap album set a high bar, getting a prime-time slot at Coachella served as the perfect climax for his rollout. âWe had every intention of stealing the weekend,â Metro confidently says in retrospect.
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In order to pull it off, he recruited a superstar-trained team: creative director La Mar C. Taylor, who works closely with The Weeknd; show director Ian Valentine, whose creative studio Human Person (which counts Billie Eilish and Post Malone as clients) was also responsible for animation, staging, lighting and content; choreographer Charm LaâDonna, who works alongside major acts from Kendrick Lamar to Dua Lipa; and his longtime recording and mixing engineer Ethan Stevens, who helped him curate the setlist. He even passed on using Coachellaâs designated livestreaming crew and hired his own to ensure the quality of the video and flow of the performance for folks at home.
âThere was so many people advising me, âDonât spend your money on that show.â But I was like, âNah, nâs have to get this,â â says Metro, who remains mum about how much Coachella paid him to perform but reveals he spent âover four timesâ that amount to ensure it happened just as he envisioned. âPeople were already hearing me different with this album. But they needed to see me different now.â
While his albums have established Metro as a masterful curator, âTrochellaâ confirmed he was an equally skillful showman. And much like his albums, he brought out his all-star collaborators, including The Weeknd, 21Â Savage and Diddy for the first live performance of âCreepinâ,ââ to perform the hits they share. While he mostly flexed his superproducer muscles from behind the DJ booth, he made sure to bask in his glory from the stage, too.
As Metroâs biggest risks â like dropping an album during the holiday season or investing a small fortune in an impressive Coachella set â have continued to pay off, he credits his unwavering dedication to the art. âOver time, [Iâve] established trust between me and my listeners, [so they know] that whatever I have to offer as far as music or anything, Iâm definitely putting 1,000% into it,â he says. âItâs not about, âOh, look at me like a star!â Look at me like I care.â
Growing up in St. Louis, the producer born Leland Tyler Wayne looked up to hometown hero Nelly. Country Grammar was the first explicit CD he bought, and it inspired then-literally young Metro to become a rapper. But rapping requires beats, and since he couldnât afford any, he decided to make his own. Producing turned into a bigger passion and came with added benefits, like not having to compete with so many other aspiring rappers â and sounding like a more legitimate profession to his mother, Leslie Wayne.
Leslie played an instrumental role in getting his career off the ground: When Metro was 13, she bought him his first laptop, where he downloaded the popular music production software FL Studio. And when he was in high school, she made 17-hour round-trip drives from St. Louis to Atlanta nearly every weekend so he could work with artists he connected with over social media, like OJ Da Juiceman and Gucci Mane â while still returning home before school on Monday morning. (Leslie died in June 2022, and Metro pays tribute to her often on social media and during live performances.)
He moved to Atlanta in 2012 to attend Morehouse College but dropped out after one semester to pursue music: In 2013, he got his big break when he produced Futureâs acclaimed âKarate Chopâ (featuring Lil Wayne). And Metro seemed to take over hip-hop in 2015: He joined the Rodeo Tour with Travis Scott and Young Thug as a supporting act and the latterâs touring DJ; produced most of Futureâs DS2 album; worked on Scottâs debut album, Rodeo; and executive-produced Drake and Futureâs joint mixtape, What a Time To Be Alive.
But he experienced a career-defining moment in February 2016 when Kanye West dropped The Life of Pablo. Right before premiering it during his Yeezy 3 fashion show at New Yorkâs Madison Square Garden, West called Metro about one of the songs he had produced, âFather Stretch My Hands, Pt. 1.â âI didnât put that tag on that beat. Itâs Kanyeâs sh-t,â Metro explains. âHe asked for it like, âIâm finna play the album, but I need the tag on the song.â And he just threw it in there real quick.â In a now viral clip, West is seen screaming and embracing a raccoon fur trapper hat-wearing Kid Cudi before âIf Young Metro donât trust you, Iâm gonâ shoot youâ blasts throughout the arenaâs speakers. Metroâs tag catapulted him into the pop culture zeitgeist, from the numerous memes that flooded the internet immediately after to the hype it still creates whenever a DJ plays the song at a party. âThat just took it to a whole ânother stratosphere,â he reflects.
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From there, Metro continued building relationships with other rappers and elevating their music while reinforcing his reputation as the genreâs go-to producer. âA lot of times an artist will say, âI want to work with you, but send me beats.â With Metro, itâs the opposite. He wants to create with you at a very intentional level,â says Vladimir âV Liveâ Samedi, who began working as Metroâs tour bus driver in 2016 before he was promoted to Boominatiâs head of A&R. Metro dropped collaborative projects with Big Sean, Nav and 21 Savage, the lattermost of whom Metro has worked with on three full-lengths: Savage Mode, Without Warning (with Offset) and Savage Mode II. âMetro is the greatest producer of all time. I wouldnât be where I am today without the help of my brother,â 21 Savage tells Billboard.
With prestige, a star-studded network and a stacked production discography, Metro had all the tools he needed to fly high on his own. He launched his Boominati Worldwide label in partnership with Republic in 2017 and, the following year, released his first solo album, Not All Heroes Wear Capes, a cohesive, superstar-filled set that plays out like a movie soundtrack. His hero motif stems from a family tradition: He, his mother and his four younger siblings used to âalways go see every single Marvel movie together. We done followed the whole timeline on some nerd sh-t,â he reflects. âIt has always been an interest to me.â
Sony Pictures Animation, which produced 2018âs Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse in association with Marvel, took notice. The studio worked with Republic on the first Spider-Verse soundtrack (which yielded Post Malone and Swae Leeâs mega-smash, âSunflowerâ). When the time came to work on its follow-up, Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group president of music Spring Aspers says it âwas just pure luck in terms of timingâ that the label had just finished working on Metroâs Heroes & Villains campaign and decided he was its âideal partner.â
âIt started off with him doing a couple songs, and then it just got to the point where I went to him and was like, âYo, do you want to executive-produce this whole thing? Because it looks like Iâm going to have that conversation,â â Ramsey recalls. âHe said, âMan, that would be dope!â â
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Metro started working on the Spider-Verse soundtrack at the end of December â the same month he released Heroes & Villains. âWeâre already on a roll; might as well keep it going,â says Stevens, who also served as executive producer. Compared with the two-and-a-half years they spent working on Metroâs solo album, the duo knocked out the Spider-Verse soundtrack in six months. Metro Boomin Presents Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse taps a diverse web of artists â Don Toliver, Nas, Lil Wayne, James Blake, Myke Towers, Mora and more â to deliver an ingenious mix of hip-hop, pop, Latin and Afrobeats that nods to the filmâs protagonist Miles Moralesâ African American and Puerto Rican heritage.
âHe once texted us a line that a string quartet had played,â says Phil Lord, one of the filmâs co-writers and co-producers, of what became the opening sequence of âAm I Dreamingâ with A$AP Rocky and Roisee, an up-and-coming St. Louis artist whom Metro discovered on YouTube years ago. âThen he had [Mike Dean] come over and do this really wild synth stuff. That became the song thatâs on the end credits of the movie. And now thatâs going to be the official Oscar submission for the film.â
When the time came to promote the soundtrack, Lord and Chris Miller, another one of the filmâs co-writers and co-producers, took a page out of Metroâs playbook. âIn the first movie, there was this phenomenon where people were making their own âSpidersonas,â â Miller says. When they saw what he did with Heroes & Villains, they tapped the filmâs character designer, Kris Anka, to create Spidersonas for each of the featured artists on his soundtrack.
But they had a special plan for Metroâs own caricature. The day before Metro attended one of the Spider-Verse film screenings, Lord and Miller asked him to swing by the studio an hour early to test out some lines they had written for him. âThe Republic team, our team, the music executives from Sony and the editors were crammed into another booth,â Lord recalls. When everyone cracked up after he recited, âMy bad, everybody! There was somewhere to run,â Miller says they knew âthat was the winner.â
Now his Spidersona â and his voice â actually appear in the film as Metro Spider-Man, but Nimrod wanted to ensure that fans would see him off the silver screen, too. âWe made these cool cutouts of his character and were hanging them from light poles, and there were decals on the sidewalks and walls,â she says. âPeople were fully stealing these cutouts and tagging me on social like, âI got my Metro Spider-Man hanging in my room!â Thatâs when I was like, âOK, now this is fire.â â
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Metro Boomin Presents Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse reached No. 1 on both the Soundtracks and Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums charts â matching, and outperforming, respectively, the performance of the first Spider-Verse soundtrack, which also received a Grammy nomination for best compilation soundtrack for visual media. Ramsey hopes Metroâs Spider-Verse contribution can score the same distinction, and given the success of Heroes & Villains and âCreepin,â â next year could well be Metroâs long-awaited Grammy breakthrough. Incredibly, he has been nominated only once, and not for a project one would have expected him to have worked on: He co-produced Coldplayâs âLet Somebody Goâ with Selena Gomez, from the bandâs Music of the Spheres, an album of the year nominee. â[Frontman Chris Martin is] a good friend of mine. Sometimes we work on ideas; sometimes we just go walk outside,â Metro explains casually.
But with so much music to make, industry accolades are far from his mind. Heâs currently wrapping up his long-awaited joint album with Future and still working on his project with J.I.D that the two teased earlier this year. Metro is also working on A$AP Rockyâs highly anticipated album, Donât Be Dumb, and is one of a few trusted producers working on The Weekndâs final album.
Nonetheless, there are a few other artists he dreams of collaborating with in the future. âI still really want to do something with Justin Timberlake,â he says. âI need to work with Miguel. I still havenât worked with Jay-Z.â
But while Metro will always make time for the music, he plans to spend the next decade focused more on his businesses. Since he launched Boominati, âa lot of the business was focused on Metro and our producers that we work with: Chris XZ, Doughboy and David x Eli,â Samedi says. Now Metro is transferring his artist discovery and development skills to the executive side so he can start signing artists. And, he teases, he has already started his own production company that will allow him âto do stuff for screen.â
âThe amount of grind and effort I put in my 20s into the music, Iâmma put into the business aspect through these 30s,â he says. âI watched my music seeds grow from 20 to 30. I can watch the rest of these grow from 30 to 40.â
This story will appear in the Oct. 7, 2023, issue of Billboard.
The best part of producing Mick Jaggerâs vocals, according to Andrew Watt, is when he begins taking off his clothes.
âHe starts in like, a sweater, a button-down and a T-shirt,â the producer-songwriter recalls of a studio session with the Rolling Stones legend, âand then, two takes in, the sweater comes off. Two takes later, the button-down comes off. All of a sudden, heâs down to a T-shirt, and heâs ripped, and heâs 80, and heâs fâking giving you full-blown Mick Jagger, shaking and sweating as he sings every note.â
Such fantastical rock-star run-ins have become relatively commonplace for Watt â but the 32-year-old and 2021 producer of the year Grammy winner, who wore a different Rolling Stones T-shirt every day to the studio while producing the bandâs forthcoming album, Hackney Diamonds, still recounts the experience with giddy breathlessness. âYou canât not be jumping up and down with excitement,â he says of watching Jagger work his magic, âbecause thatâs what weâve all been trained to do for the last 60 years.â
Over the past half-decade, Watt has transitioned from scoring hits for pop stars like Justin Bieber, Camila Cabello and 5Â Seconds of Summer to guiding late-career projects from rockâs legacy elites, including Ozzy Osbourne, Elton John and Iggy Pop. While the New York native still collaborates with modern A-listers â Watt worked on the majority of Austin, the recent full-length from frequent collaborator Post Malone â his career has become an inverse of the âHow do you do, fellow kids?â meme, with the 1990s baby blending in with legends in their 70s and 80s. âItâs like going to college,â he says, âand learning from the literal masters.â
Helming Hackney Diamonds, due Oct. 20 on Geffen Records, represented a true bucket-list item for Watt, who was introduced to Jagger by veteran producer Don Was in the middle of the pandemic and struck up a friendship over FaceTime. In the summer of 2022, Watt was in London working with Dua Lipa, and Jagger invited him over for some tea; after years of false starts and scrapped demos for the Stonesâ first album of original material since 2005âs A Bigger Bang, Jagger asked Watt if he would be interested in helping them cross the finish line. Wattâs jaw dropped: âYou have this moment where youâre like, âAm I even capable of that?â â he says. âItâs the greatest honor as a kid with a guitar who grew up idolizing every single thing Keith Richards ever did.â
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That level of lifelong fandom, combined with an urgency to secure results, is what Watt believes makes him so effective at sharing the studio with icons more than twice his age. He understands that âthese legends donât owe anyone anything,â as he puts it, âso the only reason theyâre making a new album is for themselves.â With that in mind, Watt encourages artists to pursue ideas indiscriminately â less conversation, more raw creation â and then itâs his job to approach projects from the viewpoint of what fans most want to hear.
When it came to the Stones, âAny fan wants to hear the greatest live rockânâroll band of all time,â Watt explains, âso to do anything else with them in the studio is just letting everyone down.â When preproduction for Hackney Diamonds began in September 2022, Watt pushed the band to work efficiently and made sure to prioritize its live energy, particularly within the interplay between Richards and Ronnie Wood.
Session locations ranged from Los Angeles to Paris; Steve Jordan took over the drum kit from Charlie Watts, who died in 2021 but is posthumously featured on two tracks carried over from earlier sessions; and Lady Gaga, Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder were among the guest stars to swing by. The result is a lean, 11-song Stones album that Watt says was mostly finished in under six months, and that âyou could put on against other contemporary music, but is still loose and really gets grooving at certain points.â
Although Watt likens the experience of producing a Stones album to climbing a personal Mount Everest, he also says that he has plenty left to accomplish in his career. Aside from contributing to Lipaâs highly anticipated third album, Watt recently co-produced âSeven,â Jung Kookâs Billboard Hot 100 chart-topper featuring Latto. âThat was the first time I worked with an artist who didnât speak the same language as me, so we communicated through music,â he says of the BTS star. âIt was the complete opposite of my work with The Rolling Stones, but thatâs what keeps it interesting.â
Watt says that his work with various music legends has already started to inform his new stars. âWatching Paul McCartney arrange background vocals and harmonize with himself?â he says. âIâm taking that sât with me to every production I do for the rest of my life.â
This story will appear in the Oct. 7, 2023, issue of Billboard.