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5 Standout Moments From Taylor Swift’s Saturday Night Show in Philadelphia

A ‘Fearless’ track becomes a special request from a famous friend, Taylor tears up a bit, and more memorable moments from May 13 in Philly.

“I love tonight, I love tonight, I love tonight,” Taylor Swift gushed from the center of Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia on Saturday night (May 13). As the second show of Swift’s three-date Philly weekend neared its conclusion, she confided in the crowd: there were some shows where she and her crew of musicians and dancers didn’t want to be eventually forced from the stage, and Saturday night was one of them. Swift wrapped up the sentiment simply: “You guys are… lit.”

They had good reason to be. As the Eras tour approaches the two-month mark of its launch in March, Taylor Swift’s stadium extravaganza keeps rolling on, and seemingly getting better. Compared to its opening date in Glendale, Ariz., the career-spanning performance has tightened, from the more pinpoint twirls on “Fearless” to the snarling vocal work on “Look What You Made Me Do,” from the changeover between eras to the steady rapport Swift has developed with her audience. Yes, the general beats remain the same, and the setlist, visuals and outfits have largely remained static from the tour launch — but the Eras tour contains a confident energy, a vehicle newly polished and now firing on all cylinders.

And within those refined details came memorable (and some unexpected) treats on Saturday night. Here are five standout moments from another incandescent stop on the Eras tour:

A$AP Rocky & Rihanna Celebrate Son’s First Birthday With Adorable Photos, Video

Rihanna and A$AP Rocky‘s firstborn, seemingly named RZA, turned one on May 13.

On Saturday night, A$AP posted a sweet series of photos and a video of the couple’s son on Instagram.

His caption included the name RZA and a shout-out to Wu-Tang: “‘WU TANG IZ 4 DA CHUREN’ HAPPY 1st BIRTHDAY TO MY 1st BORN . RZA,” he wrote.

The snaps include several precious family shots, plus a cute video of the little one looking at himself on a screen. “Big head man,” A$AP lovingly says before kissing his son.

Two days ago, the Daily Mail claimed that it had obtained the baby boy’s birth certificate, which reportedly notes that his full name is RZA Athelston Mayers. Billboard reached out to Rihanna and A$AP’s rep for comment at the time.

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The original RZA’s name isn’t actually RZA, but Robert Fitzgerald Diggs. The Wu-Tang frontman adopted RZA as a stage name.

See Rihanna and A$AP Rocky’s new photos on Instagram. The couple are expecting their second child, and Rihanna’s said her second pregnancy is “so different from the first one … No cravings. Tons of nausea. Everything’s different, but I’m enjoying it.”

Eurovision 2023: Sweden’s Loreen Becomes First Female to Win Competition Twice

Sweden’s Loreen overcame strong competition from Finland and Israel to win 2023’s Eurovision Song Contest in a closely fought final that featured guest appearances from Queen drummer Roger Taylor and, in a pre-recorded video, the Princess of Wales.   

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39-year-old Loreen, whose real name is Lorine Zineb Nora Talhaoui, was the fans and bookmakers’ frontrunner going into Saturday’s Grand Final, held in Liverpool, England, on behalf of war-torn Ukraine.   

Having previously triumphed in the annual competition in 2012, Loreen is the first woman to win the contest twice. Her song “Tattoo,” a bombastic electro-pop ballad, placed first with 583 points.  

“The only thing I feel right now is so much love. Not in my wildest dreams did I think this was going to happen,” said the singer in a press conference that took place immediately after the show wrapped. 

Finnish rapper Käärijä, one of the breakout stars of this year’s Eurovision thanks to his song “Cha Cha Cha” and eye-catching costume of spikey black trousers paired with green bolero sleeves, came second with 526 points.  

It is the seventh victory for Sweden in the contest’s 67-year history, equalling Ireland as the country with the most Eurovision wins. The first Swedish act to take home the crown was ABBA in 1974 with “Waterloo.” Prior to Loreen, Sweden’s most recent win came in 2015 with Måns Zelmerlöw’s “Heroes.” The only other artist to win Eurovision twice is Ireland’s Johnny Logan, who finished top in 1980 and 1987.  

The rest of the top five was made up of Israel (362 points), Italy (350 points) and Norway (268 points).  

The United Kingdom is hosting this year’s Eurovision Song Contest on behalf of Ukraine, which won 2022’s competition with “Stefania” by Ukrainian rap-folk band Kalush Orchestra (the U.K. finished second through Sam Ryder’s “Space Man”). The tag-line for this year’s event is “United By Music,” referencing the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. 

The home city of Ukraine’s Eurovision act, Tvorchi, was hit by Russian missiles moments before the act took to the stage in Liverpool, according to reports. Two people were injured in the attack in Ternopil, Western Ukraine, the chief of the regional state administration, Volodymyr Trush, said. 

Writing on Instagram after their performance, Tvorchi said: “Ternopil is the name of our hometown, which was bombed by Russia while we sang on the Eurovision stage about our steel hearts, indomitability and will.” 

“Europe, unite against evil for the sake of peace,” said the Ukrainian duo. 

It is the first time that the U.K. has held the contest in 25 years, although being the host country was no advantage to the country’s entry, Mae Muller. She finished second to last with her track “I Wrote a Song” picking up just 24 points.    

26 acts competed in Saturday’s final, held at Liverpool’s 11,000-capacity M&S Bank Arena, including artists from the so-called “big five” countries: the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy and Spain, who automatically qualify for the main show because of their broadcaster’s financial contributions to the event. (The other 20 finalists qualified via two semi-finals, held earlier in the week. Ukraine also got a free pass to the final as reigning winners).  

Kalush Orchestra opened the show with a spirited run through their 2022 winning song “Stefania” and new single “Changes,” joined by a procession of drummers wearing pink bucket hats in homage to the band’s frontman Oleh Psiuk.  

Prior to arriving onstage, Kalush Orchestra featured in a pre-recorded opening film, part filmed in a metro station in Kyiv, Ukraine, that also contained guest appearances from British stars Joss Stone, Sam Ryder, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and, in a surprise 10-second cameo, a piano playing Princess of Wales.   

The princess, who learned to play the instrument as a child, recorded her contribution at Windsor Castle earlier this month, said organizers after the segment aired.   

Following the opening performance, the Eurovision Grand Final was a characteristically flamboyant mix of kitsch Euro pop, overwrought ballads, elaborate PVC costumes, and soaring rock ballads, interspersed with a jolt of head-banging glam metal courtesy of Germany’s Lord of the Lost.  

Among the highlights were Austria’s Teya & Salena, performing dance track “Who the Hell Is Edgar?,” named after American poet Edgar Allen Poe, and Poland’s Blanka, singing her breezy reggae-tinged song “Solo” backed by a troupe of colorfully dressed dancers.    

France’s La Zarra was another crowd pleaser with her disco-flavored torch song “Évidemment,” passionately sung in French.  

Blanca Paloma, representing Spain, energetically fused flamenco rhythms with pulsing synths and a sinuous melody, while Norway’s entry — a bodice-wearing Alessandra, singing “Queen of Kings” — drew a rapturous reception from fans inside the sold-out arena.  

Israel’s Noa Kirel, one of the country’s biggest pop stars, was one of the strongest female solo acts with her bombastic track “Unicorn,” complete with an energetic 30-second dance breakdown.  

The night’s biggest cheers, however, went to Finland’s Käärijä and the contest’s eventual winner, Loreen.  

A standout moment from the four-hour-long final was a mid-show interval that saw a number of former Eurovision contestants deliver a medley of songs representing Liverpool’s illustrious musical heritage, beginning with Italy’s 2019 entry, Mahmood, singing John Lennon’s “Imagine.”  

Also performing in the mid-show segment were Israel’s Netta, singing Dead or Alive’s “You Spin Me Round (Like A Record),” Liverpool-born Sonia, who came second in Eurovision in 1993, and the Netherlands’ Duncan Lawrence, leading the crowd through a rousing cover of Gerry and the Pacemakers‘ “You’ll Never Walk Alone.” 

Other non-competition performers included 2022 Eurovision runner-up Sam Ryder singing his single “Mountain” backed by Queen’s Roger Taylor on drums.  

This year’s Eurovision Song Contest was the first in the event’s long history where viewers from countries not taking part could vote, including the United States where Saturday’s final — and the two preceding semi-finals — was streamed on Peacock. Viewer votes make up 50% of the final result, with the remainder determined by a professional jury from each participating country. 

As per the two semi-finals, the show’s hosts were British TV personality and singer Alesha Dixon, Ted Lasso star Hannah Waddingham and Ukrainian singer Julia Sanina. Joining them for the final was another U.K. TV star, Irish comedian Graham Norton. 

Last year’s Eurovision Song Contest, held in Turin, Italy, was watched by 161 million people across 34 countries, according to organizers the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), making it the world’s biggest music competition. 

Tom Cruise Meets Up With Janet Jackson, Poses With Fans at ‘Together Again’ Tour in Charlotte

Janet Jackson fans bumped into an unexpected special guest in the audience at the PNC Music Pavilion in Charlotte, North Carolina, on Friday night (May 12). Tom Cruise was in attendance, much to the delight of those around him — including Jackson, who shared a snapshot on Saturday of the two of them together backstage.

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“T, it was so good seeing you and nice spending some time together,” she captioned the photo.

Meanwhile, fans were spotting Cruise around the venue last Friday night. In cell phone pictures and clips uploaded to social media, the actor can be seen posing with concertgoers and waving to those saying hello as he made his way through the crowd.

Jackson announced her current tour back in December, saying, “I’m going back on tour and, yes, we will be together again … I miss you guys so much and I cannot wait to see you.”

See Janet’s post from last night and some snapshots of fans meeting Cruise below. Her Together Again Tour heads to Baltimore and Virginia Beach next, with Ludacris as the opening act. See the full set of North American dates here.

Taylor Swift Clarifies the Meaning of That ‘Eagles’ Lyric in ‘Gold Rush’ at Philadelphia Show

Is Taylor Swift‘s reference to the Eagles in “Gold Rush” about the band, or is it about the football team?

At Eras Tour night one of three at Philadelphia’s Lincoln Financial Field on Friday (May 12), Swift officially answered that burning question.

Swift addressed the audience as she was getting set up to begin her acoustic segment of the show, where she performs two surprise songs at each concert date. First up: Evermore‘s “Gold Rush” made its live debut.

“There was sort of a, I don’t know how large the debate was, but I did see the debate about how a lyric that says ‘with my Eagles T-shirt hanging from the door’ … I saw some people wondering if it was the band Eagles or the team the Eagles,” she said to the crowd at the Linc, the home stadium of the Philadelphia Eagles.

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“And I love the band the Eagles,” Swift noted, “but guys, like come on. I’m from Philly. Of course it’s the team.” Loud applause from the locals ensued.

Swift spent her childhood years in Pennsylvania before her family moved to Nashville so she could pursue a career in country music as a young teen. She lived in Reading and Wyomissing, both more than an hour from Philadelphia, but close enough to consider Philly her hometown show.

Hear her Eagles explanation in the concert clip below. For the other surprise song of the night, Swift brought back Red era song “Come Back… Be Here,” which opener Phoebe Bridgers requested.

Taylor Swift Gives Shout-Out to Blake Lively’s Kids at Philadelphia Eras Tour Concert: Watch

Taylor Swift spotted some special guests in the crowd during her Eras Tour concert in Philadelphia on Friday (May 12).

While performing “All Too Well at Philly’s Lincoln Financial Field, the 33-year-old pop superstar paused to give a sweet shout-out to Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds’ daughters James, 8, and Inez, 6.

“Hi James, hi Nezzy!” Swift appears to mouth during the Red track, as seen in a fan-captured video on Twitter.

After the concert, her first of two in Philadelphia, Swift was spotted exiting the stage with Lively and her kids. In another fan-captured clip, the smiling songstress is seen holding hands with James and waving to fans, while Lively holds Inez.

Lively and Reynolds also share 3-year-old daughter Betty and welcomed fourth child earlier this year.

In late April, Swift enjoyed a girls night out in New York City with longtime friends Lively, Gigi Hadid and the HAIM sisters.

Lively and Swift are longtime friends whose paths have also crossed professionally. Swift used the names of Lively and Reynolds’ children (James, Inez and Betty) in her 2020 song “Betty” after featuring James on the introducing her 2017 track “Gorgeous.” Lively also directed the singer’s “I Bet You Think About Me” music video from 2021.

See Swift’s onstage shout-out to Lively and Reynolds’ daughters below.

Kelly Clarkson Responds to Toxic Workplace Allegations from Talk Show Staffers

Kelly Clarkson is addressing allegations of a toxic work environment on her talk show.

The Kelly Clarkson Show host shared a statement through social media on Friday night (May 12) following a Rolling Stone report that claims the daytime program’s producers “overworked” and “underpaid” crew members. Employees also alleged that working on the show was traumatizing to their mental health.

“In my 20 years in the entertainment industry, I’ve always led with my heart and what I believed to be right,” Clarkson began her statement. “I love my team at The Kelly Clarkson Show, and to find out that anyone is feeling unheard and or disrespected on this show is unacceptable.”

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She continued, “I have always been, and will continue to be, committed to creating and maintaining a safe and healthy environment at The Kelly Clarkson Show. As we prepare for a move to the East Coast, I am more committed than ever to ensuring that not only our team that is moving, but also our new team in NY, is comprised of the best and kindest in the business.”

The Rolling Stone article, published Friday (May 12), includes anonymous complaints from one current and 10 former The Kelly Clarkson Show staffers. “I remember going up on the roof of the stage to cry, being like, ‘Oh, my gosh, what am I doing? Why am I putting myself through this?’” a former employee said. Other complaints were aimed at the show’s executive producer Alex Duda, whom one previous staffer called a “monster.”

Employees noted that Clarkson herself is “fantastic” and “has no clue how unhappy her staff is.” A staff member said that the singer has “no clue how unhappy her staff is.”

Clarkson said in her statement that moving forward, The Kelly Clarkson show “will include leadership training for all of the senior staff, including myself. There is always room to grow and ensure we are all being/becoming the best version of ourselves in any business. Especially when it comes to leadership, to ensure that any notion of toxicity is eradicated.”

See Clarkson’s full response to the allegations on Twitter below.

Ednita Nazario Celebrates Mother’s Day With Record 21 Shows at Coliseo de Puerto Rico

In 2005, Ednita Nazario sang for the first time at Coliseo de Puerto Rico. Beyond selling 15,000 tickets, the moment was memorable because Coliseo had only opened its doors the year before and Nazario –perhaps Puerto Rico’s most beloved female singer — had been instrumental in lobbying for its construction. That night, she became the first woman to sing at the venue, affectionately known as “El Choli.”

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Today, nearly 20 years later, Nazario holds the record as the woman with most shows at the fabled venue. After her sold-out performances of her “La Reina” (The Queen) shows on Saturday (May 13) and Sunday (May 14), she’ll also become the artist with most sold-out shows after Wisin & Yandel.

Billboard spoke with Nazario about what it means to return to Coliseo and what has happened there throughout her 21 shows.

How do you feel?

“I’m almost speechless, super excited and I can’t believe it. Who could imagine 21 shows was possible? It feels like the first time. It’s one of the things that’s most struck me about my job. The longer I do it, the nerves, the adrenaline, the fast-beating heart, the butterflies in my stomach, they’re a constant.”

What is your most requested song?

“The one that always has to be there, that they’ll request even if I’ve sung for three hours, is ‘Quiero que me hagas el amor (I want you to make love to me).’ It’s an iconic song in my repertoire that I’ll never be able to remove from my rundown. I tried it once and was very sorry. It’s the most expected song. Always.”  

The song you most enjoy singing?

“That one. Without a doubt. It’s like an escape valve. It’s a license for free expression, passion, emotion, that takes me on my own trip. I love it, I lie down, I give it my all, I let go. And it’s such a beautiful moment because I see the faces of the audience, and they also go on their own trip, because it’s a very personal, very intimate song.”

I read once that chefs always include their favorite dishes in the menu, sometimes surreptitiously. Think lobster at a steakhouse. Which of your songs is like that?

“I always do that, even in my albums. There are songs I include because, independent of whether they fit or not, they are the lobsters in my steakhouse. In my shows, there’s several song s that are cathartic. Obviously, the show overall is meant to serve the audience, and give them what they want. But in this one, I added a couple of lobsters. There’s one moment that has a message that needs to be there. And the other is a super fun song called ‘Cansada de estar cansada (Tired of Being Tired).’ It’s a really fun rock ‘n’ roll I wrote several years ago, but is still relevant today.”

Tell me about your first Coliseo?

“It was the ‘Apasionada’ show in 2005 and I was so nervous because it was my first time there. Coliseo is very personal to me because I was part of a group of people who lobbied for its construction. At the time, Puerto Rico didn’t have a venue like that, and I lobbied hard with businessmen and other people to have it built. It was definitely a historic moment, as a woman, as a Puerto Rican artist. Selling out that venue three consecutive nights is something I don’t take for granted.”

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Concierto de Ednita Nazario “Apasionada” En El Coliseo De Puerto Rico .

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Memorable moments?

“When the bed comes down from the ceiling during ‘Quiero que me hagas el amor.’ That’s an iconic moment. So much so that we have a memorabilia exhibit at the entrance of this show, and the original bed is there. Another moment was when Ricky Martin showed up as a surprise guest. Or the first time I invited reggaetón artist, which wasn’t done at the time. I brought Héctor el Father and Ivy Queen in an amazing duet. Also, the time I had Luis Angel, the father of my daughter, and she also came onstage. He wrote some of my most iconic songs, and sang them with me. Those are unforgettable moments.”

Worst moment?

“There was a show where I had to fly over the audience while sitting on a swing. And for some reason, the swing started to spin around. It got tangled high above and formed a sort of braid. So I was spinning around like a crazy person over people’s heads, and I wasn’t tied to anything. I was terrified. But I think the adrenaline helped me and I just kept on singing.”

After so many shows, what will be different this time?

“We’re doing a kind of recap of iconic moments of those past 19 shows. And we’ve chosen specific songs from each of those shows, although obviously, I’ll include new material. The concept of ‘La Reina’ comes from having been called ‘The Queen of El Choli.’ But i gave it a twist, because I think we carry our kingdoms within. All human beings are monarchs of their own castles, and that castle is what you carry inside: Your mind and your spirit. And we can all reign over our own lives while we’re here. So, it will be like a reunion of monarchs where we all are kings and Queens. We built a central runway that takes me to the middle of the audience so I can see them up close. And obviously, the songs are those that have really resonated with them. And, yes, we’ll have special surprises.”

How will you celebrate?

“After the first show, I’ll go to sleep. After the second one, we have an after party with the team and my daughter will also be there. She flew in this week. I also told everyone on staff to bring their moms, because we’ll be working Mother’s Day. It will be a special night.”

Karol G Joins Alicia Keys Onstage In Colombia & More Uplifting Moments in Latin Music

From career milestones and new music releases to major announcements and more, Billboard editors highlight the latest news buzz in Latin music every week. Here’s what happened in the Latin music world this week.

Karol G & Alicia Keys’ Special Moment Onstage

Karol G surprised fans in Bogotá, Colombia when she showed up onstage to perform alongside Alicia Keys, who gave a show at the Movistar Arena on May 11. Following Goyo’s opening set, Keys took the stage and was later joined by the “Mañana Será Bonito” singer to duet “No One.” Fans were in for a treat when these two artists joined forces. Watch the special performance below:

A Poem by Shakira

Shakira released a new single, “Acróstico” (acrostic), and it’s a powerful open letter to her children, Milan and Sasha. The song is a poetic composition constructed so that the initial letter of each line of lyrics, taken consecutively, form words.

Released just in time for Mother’s Day, Shakira uses her iconic sultry voice to showcase her raw, vulnerable emotion in this stripped-down piano ballad, where she expresses a mother’s deep and pure love for her children. Acróstico” talks about how a mother can turn her pain into strength through the love of her kids, and how a caress from a son can uplift the soul. More info on the song here.

GALE’s New Career Milestone

This week, GALE sang the U.S. National Anthem to a crowd of nearly 300,000 people at the Formula One Miami Grand Prix that took place in Miami, Fla.—a first in her career. “I feel like I can do anything after this,” she expressed on her Instagram account. “I sang the National Anthem at the @f1 race. What a dream and an honor! Thank you for the love. I’ll never forget this moment. De Puerto Rico pa’l mundo enterooo.” The powerful performance by the Puerto Rican newcomer was aired live on TV in over 140 counties. GALE documented the exciting career highlight on social media. Watch it below:

Gibson Gives Back to Cuba

Gibson Gives has donated 52 guitars, in addition to strings, picks, and other musical equipment, to benefit students at the National School of the Arts in Cuba, where access to musical supplies is limited. “At Gibson Gives, we’ve extended our global growth over the past year, even reaching corners of the world we never thought possible,” said Dendy Jarrett, CEO of Gibson Gives in a press statement. “After two years of negotiations, we are excited to bring much-needed music and equipment for the first time to young people in music and art schools who have limited supplies. Cuban music and songwriting have a rich musical history and global impact; We are delighted to do our bit to ensure that this tradition continues to thrive with the next generation.” Gibson partnered with Derek Walker (Gibson Gives Goodwill Ambassador), who personally delivered the instruments and equipment. Gibson is also expected to donate 100 more Epiphone guitars to the school in the coming months.

First-Ever Latin Women in Music

The inaugural edition of the Billboard Latin Women in Music is a wrap. Shakira, Thalia, Ana Gabriel, Evaluna Montaner, Goyo, Emilia and Maria Becerra were honored as the first class of the Billboard Latin Women in Music on Saturday (May 6) in Miami. From epic performances to emotional and poignant speeches, read all the highlights from the special night here.

With Latin Women in Music, Billboard and Telemundo aim to further elevate Latin music globally and celebrate the women who have made a concrete impact on Latin music through their artistic achievements, or through tangible, noteworthy actions that have brought measurable recognition and opportunity to women, affecting positive change to the industry as a whole.

Michael J. Fox Details Parkinson’s Battle in ‘Still’: How to Watch the Movie for Free

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Michael J. Fox gives an in-depth look into his legendary career and harrowing battle with Parkinson’s disease in Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie. The Davis Guggenheim-directed film, comprised of documentary and archival footage along with scripted elements, premieres Friday (May 12) on Apple TV+.

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The Canadian actor, who rose to stardom as Alex P. Keaton in the 1980s sitcom Family Ties, went on to find success on the silver screen starring in cult classics like Teen Wolf and Back to the Future.

Fox was diagnosed with Parkinson’s in 1991 at age 29. He continued to act for almost two decades before officially retiring in 2020 and releasing the bestselling memoir, No Time Like the Future: An Optimist Considers Morality.  

Fox reflected on the moment he decided to retire in a recent interview. “I thought of Once Upon A Time In Hollywood,” he recalled. “There’s a scene where Leonardo DiCaprio’s character can’t remember his lines anymore. He goes back to his dressing room and he’s screaming at himself in the mirror. Just freaking insane. I had this moment where I was looking in the mirror and thought, ‘I cannot remember it anymore. Well, let’s move on.’ It was peaceful.”

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