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Indie Trade Bodies Condemn TikTok for Walking Away from Merlin Negotiations

Independent music trade bodies have hit out at TikTok for boycotting collective license talks with Merlin by seeking to strike direct deals with its indie label members, accusing the platform of trying to divide the sector and “drive down the value” of music.

Licensing talks between TikTok and Merlin, which negotiates digital licenses for a coalition of more than 30,000 independent labels and music companies, representing 15% of the global recorded music market, abruptly ended late last month when “TikTok walked away before negotiations even began,” according to a letter Merlin sent to its members on Friday (Sept. 27).

The London-headquartered indie rights organization, which counts the labels 4AD, Domino, Matador, Subpop, Partisan, Warp, XL Recordings and Secretly Group among its members, said that TikTok told them that it would not be renewing its license deal, due to expire Oct. 31, and was instead looking to licence its members directly.

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A spokesperson for TikTok confirmed Monday (Oct. 1) that it was “committed to entering into direct deals with Merlin members in order to keep their music on TikTok.”

One of the reasons TikTok has given for not renegotiating its deal with Merlin is its concerns over alleged streaming fraud, which a TikTok spokesperson told Billboard specifically relates to a handful of Merlin members delivering songs or remixes of songs that they don’t own the rights to.

Addressing those allegations, Merlin told members it has worked “productively and collaboratively with TikTok” on streaming manipulation and fraudulent content “and until now, no concerns have been raised.”

Executives and trade bodies from across the independent music sector have also called into question TikTok’s reasoning for not renewing its deal with Merlin, while also slamming its attempts to boycott collective licensing with the company.

Brussels-based independent labels trade body IMPALA, which represents over 6,000 indie music companies in Europe and has previously criticized TikTok for the low returns it pays to rightsholders, said it strongly opposed TikTok’s attempts to boycott Merlin.

“Given the timing, it seems clear that TikTok’s real intention is to fragment the sector and drive down the value of independent music, rather than deal with streaming manipulation,” said Mark Kitcatt, chair of IMPALA’s streaming group, in a statement on Thursday (Oct. 3).

“Record labels have entrusted their rights to Merlin to negotiate on their behalf and by TikTok going directly to rights holders they are disrespecting the licensing agreements that are in place,” added Dan Waite, chair of IMPALA’s digital committee. “Like a supermarket chain negotiating directly with individual farmers for the price of their milk, it’s difficult to see how this can work out in the farmers’ favour.”

Referencing TikTok’s cited concerns around streaming manipulation, IMPALA’s executive chair Helen Smith questioned how seeking direct deals with Merlin members would better address the issue than renewing a collective license. “This feels like a smoke screen for boycotting Merlin given the history and the timing and the fact the whole industry is working hard on this important issue,” said Smith in a statement.

“TikTok’s claim that leaving Merlin would alleviate fraud is technically and effectively incorrect,” Gee Davy, interim CEO of the U.K.-based Association of Independent Music (AIM), tells Billboard. She claims that TikTok can already choose which music catalogs it uploads through the Merlin deal, and stresses it is by the industry working together “and TikTok re-engaging with Merlin that the industry will fight online fraud.”

“The resource required to close deals and manage a large number of independent music relationships, take down unlicensed music, and handle fraud separately across a number of participants would surely outweigh any gains,” says Davy. “And that’s aside from any reputational issues that arise from TikTok claiming to respect independent music while in practice showing that they don’t respect the licensing choices of independent music businesses.

“Many smaller labels and artists will be locked out of any direct licensing, which will sour relations as well as set back many years of work by Merlin, AIM and others in improving equitable access to the market and diversity of music available to consumers. We urge TikTok to speak to us and consider the bigger picture and; most of all, to recognise the inadvertent damage their actions have caused and return to discussions with Merlin.”

Those sentiments were echoed by Dr. Richard Burgess, president of the American Association of Independent Music (A2IM), who earlier this week told Billboard: “TikTok’s refusal to negotiate a deal with Merlin isn’t just a setback — it’s a threat to the whole music ecosystem.” Burgess said the dispute “isn’t just about Merlin; it’s about properly recognizing the value of artists and their music.”

The Brussels-based International Music Publishers Forum (IMPF) has also urged TikTok to reengage and strike a licensing agreement with Merlin, calling its attempts to “circumnavigate” collective licensing “a thinly veiled attempt to divide independent labels and drive down the price of music.”

“Merlin’s members have entrusted their rights to the organisation in order to uphold transparency, efficiency and fair remuneration. That must be respected,” said IMPF in a statement.

Merlin is the third music organization this year, after Universal Music Group (UMG) and the National Music Publishers’ Association (NMPA), to express challenges in renewing music licenses with TikTok. In February, UMG’s failure to reach a deal with TikTok led to the removal of its entire catalog of hits from TikTok for about three months.

In April, after publicly supporting UMG’s position against TikTok, the NMPA allowed its TikTok license, which was used by a number of indie publishers, to lapse as well. It has not been renewed. A spokesperson for TikTok says that many of the indie publishers have now established their own direct licenses with the short-form app.

Unless a swift resolution can be found between TikTok and Merlin — or Merlin’s label members choose to negotiate individual license deals with the ByteDance-owned platform — hit songs from artists like Nirvana, Phoebe Bridgers, Diplo, The Lumineers, Mac Demarco, Madlib, Mitski, Thundercat, Wet Leg and Coolio could start to be removed from TikTok on Nov. 1.

9 Celebrity Brands on Amazon That’ll Give You a Star-Approved Beauty Routine

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Amazon’s selection of products has evolved into a massive marketplace — and it hasn’t gone unnoticed by celebrities. Not only can you discover small business, but larger brands and celeb-started shops ranging from fashion, beauty, tech and home.

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Stars have increasingly begun providing fans with official merch and products from their own brands on the online retailer. For Prime members, that means you’ll not only be able to access exclusive deals during Prime Big Deal Days, but quickly receive official artist merch and beauty products from celebrity brands on Amazon. Members can get free one-day shipping on most products to get your skincare or hair needs almost instantly. (Not a Prime member? Get a 30-day free trial here).

In addition to being able to shop stars’ favorite products on Amazon, you can also stock up on skincare and makeup essentials from brands started by musicians like Alicia Keys, Jennifer Lopez and even Machine Gun Kelly. While many fans would argue their favorite artist is the best celebrity brand on Amazon, ShopBillboard put together a list of just some of the celeb options you can shop now.

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Whether you’re looking for the music lover in your life or need to upgrade your beauty routine with some celeb-approved picks, keep reading to discover what brands are available on Amazon.

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JLo Beauty That Hit Single Gel Cream Cleanser

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JLo Beauty was started by Jenny from the block herself and includes a mixture of skincare and makeup picks that use luxurious ingredients. Each product comes in shiny gold packaging you’ll want to display outside of your bathroom — including this popular gel cream cleanser that aims to melt into your skin leaving it softer and nourished.

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Good Dye Young Streaks and Strands Semi Permanent Purple Hair Color

Paramore’s leading lady Hayley Williams is bringing her vivid hair to fans with the creation of Good Dye Young. The brand provides not only hair dye in bold, vibrant shades, but includes kits that’ll help you keep your hair healthier as you switch up your looks.

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Ariana Grande Cloud Eau de Parfum

Ariana Grande Fragrances is another celebrity brand you can find on Amazon and includes all of the most recent scents inspired by her music. Shoppers can’t seem to get enough of her Cloud Eau de Parfum especially, which features notes of lavender blossom, crème de coconut and praline.

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Let Me Glow Illuminating Serum & Makeup Primer

Upgrade your skincare routine with Alicia Keys-approved skin essentials from her brand Keys Soulcare. Some of the brand’s most popular products include this illuminating serum that provides a 2-in-1 formula that’ll prime your face for makeup while using ingredients like niacinamide to plump skin and add a dewy glow.

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UN/DN Vegan Nail Polish

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Achieving a manicure inspired by Machine Gun Kelly has never been easier since the creation of his brand UN/DN LAQR. You can find a range of bold or neutral shades including this crisp white that uses vegan ingredients and is cruelty-free. It’s also made without nine common toxic ingredients commonly found in most nail polishes, making it better for your nail beds — but without sacrificing color.

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Florence by Mills Oh Whale! Lip Balm

Millie Bobby Brown is showcasing her love of beauty with Florence by Mills. Her brand encourages self care and promises to bring a fun and lighthearted touch through adorable lip balms, colorful lip glosses and soothing eye masks that’ll soothe your skin and add color to your lips with skin-benefiting ingredients.

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Anomaly Shine Deep Conditioner

$11.98

$16

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Priyanka Chopra Jonas can add business woman to her resume alongside being an actress (and the wife of Nick Jonas outside of work). Anomaly is her hair care brand that uses vegan ingredients that are not only good for your hair but the planet as well. Each product also comes in 100% recycled containers. You can also score a three-pack of the popular conditioner for just $12.

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Hey Humans Lavender Vanilla Aluminum Free Deodorant (3-Pack)

Jada Pinkett Smith wants to encourage you to incorporate natural ingredients into your beauty supply, which is why she created Hey Human. You can fins a range of aluminum-free deodorants (like the three-pack shown here) as well as body lotions and body washes that use chemical-free formulas and are gentle and safe on your skin. store:

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Pattern Beauty by Tracee Ellis Ross Leave-In Conditioner

Actress Tracee Ellis Ross founded Pattern Beauty in an effort to bring quality hair care for curly, coily and tight-textured hair patterns. One of the most popular picks include the brand’s leave-in conditioner that has become an Amazon Choice and has been purchased more than 2,000 times this month. And did we mention it’s less than $30?

For more product recommendations, check out ShopBillboard‘s roundups of the best travel-friendly beauty products, TikTok beauty dupes and the best makeup bags for travel.

‘It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown’ Returns to No. 1 on Kid Albums Chart

For a fourth straight year, Vince Guaraldi’s soundtrack to It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown returns to No. 1 on Billboard’s Kid Albums chart, largely powered by vinyl album sales. The set rises one spot on the Oct. 5-dated list, which ranks the week’s top-selling kid albums in the United States according to Luminate. The latest chart reflects the week ending Sept. 26.

The companion album to the 1996 animated TV special has spent at least one week at No. 1 on Kid Albums every year from 2021 onwards, for a total of six nonconsecutive weeks on top.

The soundtrack also climbs 9-8 on Jazz Albums and holds at No. 6 on Traditional Jazz Albums. It peaked at No. 2 on both rankings in 2019.

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It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown first aired on broadcast TV on CBS, before migrating to ABC, and eventually to the paid streaming service Apple TV+. The latter has announced that the special will stream for free this year on Oct. 19-20.

Guaraldi controls three of the top four titles on the latest Kid Albums chart, as his evergreen A Charlie Brown Christmas TV soundtrack (credited to Vince Guaraldi Trio) rises 5-2, and the You’re Not Elected, Charlie Brown TV soundtrack climbs 6-4. A Charlie Brown Christmas first aired on CBS in 1965. You’re Not Elected, Charlie Brown premiered on CBS on Oct. 29, 1972, shortly before the Nov. 7 U.S. presidential election between Richard Nixon and George McGovern.

The You’re Not Elected Charlie Brown garnered the first commercial release of its complete soundtrack ever on Sept. 6 across CD, vinyl and digital download configurations. Tracks on the album include “Incumbent Waltz,” “Elect Linus (Dilemma) / Woodstock’s Wake Up” and the title track.

Rounding out the top five on the Kid Albums chart is the chart-topping Disney rock covers set A Whole New Sound (holding steady at No. 3) and the chart-topping Hannah Montana: The Movie soundtrack (falling 4-5).

Bruce Springsteen Endorses Kamala Harris, Calls Donald Trump the ‘Most Dangerous Candidate for President in My Lifetime’

The Boss has spoken.

Bruce Springsteen took to social media on Thursday (Oct. 3) to officially announce that in the upcoming presidential election, he will be voting for the Kamala Harris and Tim Walz ticket. “We are shortly coming up on one of the most consequential elections in our nation’s history,” he explains in the video, in which the “Born in the U.S.A.” star is seen at the bar of what appears to be a diner. “Perhaps not since the Civil War has this great country felt as politically, emotionally and spiritually divided as it does at this moment. It doesn’t have to be this way. The common values, the shared stories that make this a great and united nation are waiting to be rediscovered and retold once again. That will take time, hard work, intelligence, faith and women and men with the national good guiding their hearts.”

He continued that what makes America “great” are values that Harris believes in — “freedom, social justice, equal opportunity, the right to be in love with who you want,” he shared, before adding that Donald Trump “is the most dangerous candidate for president in my lifetime.”

Springsteen continued, “His disdain for the sanctity of our Constitution, the sanctity of democracy, the sanctity of the rule of law, and the sanctity for the peaceful transfer of power should disqualify him from the office of president ever again. He doesn’t understand the meaning of this country, its history or what it means to be deeply American.”

The star concluded by noting that his right to vote is “one of the most precious possessions I have,” and that he respects everyone’s “choices” as a fellow American citizen.

Springsteen joins a long list of artists who have also come forward with their support for Harris, including Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, Stevie Nicks, Cardi B, Jason Isbell, John Legend, Katy Perry and many more. See his full statement via Instagram here.

Tommy Richman Says He Isn’t Hip-Hop, Immediately Backtracks After Backlash

Tommy Richman sent Rap Twitter into a frenzy last night (Oct. 2.)

The singer out of Virginia — whose single “Million Dollar Baby” went viral and was on its way to dominating the summer until the Kendrick and Drake battle thwarted those dreams — sent out a now-deleted tweet seemingly distancing himself from the genre that propelled him to sudden stardom. “I am not a hip hop artist,” he said before trying to clarify what he meant after the tweet started to take off.

He then got into a back and forth with popular West Coast radio personality DJ Hed with the DJ responding to Tommy’s original tweet by saying Hip-Hop stations should stop playing his music. “Fasho. So every Hip-Hop station playing [‘Million Dollar Baby’] or [‘Devil Is A Lie‘] should stop today. Thanks for the Heds Up?”

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Hed then sent out a couple tweets saying he suddenly had “2 open slots” available on his SiriusXM radio show and that “NO ONE is bigger than the culture.” Richman responded to the former with a quote tweet, saying, “I’ll say again, Im thankful for everything. I’m saying I don’t wanna be boxed in. I grew up on hip hop. But I’m a singer.”

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DJ Hed then tried explain to Tommy why his original tweet rubbed people the wrong way. “Understood, however there are nuances that can be perceived when statements are made,” he said. “I don’t believe you have malicious intent but I do believe there is much to be learned about the system that you have entered within this thing we do. I hope it works out for you (Not sarcasm.)”

Tommy then tried to clarify further, saying, “I meant to say I’m not SOLEY a hip hop artist.”

Many Hip-Hop fans are weary of most white artists because there have been instances where they use the genre as a springboard into other genres and to grab some sort of relevance within the culture. Post Malone with “White Iverson” and Miley Cyrus‘ brief soiree with the sound with her 2013 album Bangerz are the two examples some have cited. Post and Miley also had questionable quotes about the genre that drew ire from fans.

In other Tommy Richman news, he sat down with Apple Music’s Zane Lowe and revealed that he grew up listening to rock and didn’t really get into rap until a friend introduced him to Kanye’s music. His parents were big Motley Crue fans and named him after drummer Tommy Lee. They also talked about his new album Coyote and touring with Brent Faiyaz, among other things.

You can watch the full interview here.

Jaguar Wright Unloads On Diddy & Jay-Z, Clashes With DJ Vlad

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Jaguar Wright is back on the airwaves and much like before, she is continuing her relentless attack on key figures of the entertainment industry. The singer was a guest on Piers Morgan Uncensored and unloaded on Diddy, Jay-Z, and got into it with DJ Vlad.

Jaguar Wright appeared on a Wednesday night (October 2) broadcast of Morgan’s program alongside Ariel Mitchell-Kidd, a lawyer representing one of Sean “Diddy” Combs” alleged victims, and DJ Vlad. Wright wasted little time in sharing her three decades of experience with executives and others in the industry who wielded their power for nefarious means.

Wight was challenged by DJ Vlad, who framed Wright as a conspiracy theorist during the segment, and explicitly said to Morgan that he “doesn’t cosign anything that she says” before giving his thoughts on the legal woes faced by Combs and offering his thoughts on Wright framing Jay-Z, whose real name is Shawn Carter, and Combs.

In his estimation, Vlad believes that much of what’s occurring in the Diddy case is a direct result of the lawsuit filed by Cassie Ventura which opened the floodgates to other allegations that have since surfaced.

Mitchell-Kidd also chimed in and essentially said to Wright that she should seek legal counsel as some of her statements could be viewed as defamatory without proof or official charges. She also called DJ Vlad a culture vulture and dressed down the media figure in what she believes is his role in leading to the indictment of Black artists and entertainers.

On X, formerly Twitter, the Piers Morgan Uncensored segment with Jaguar Wright, DJ Vlad, and Ariel Mitchell-Kidd garnered several replies and we’ve got them listed in our playlist slideshow. The replies shared do not echo our sentiments, we are just delivering a report.

The entire segment can be viewed below.

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Troy Carter Predicts Synthetic Artists Will Be the Next Big Revenue Generator in Music

From CDs to streaming to AI, new technology has had an outsized impact on the music industry for decades — and Venice Music founder/CEO Troy Carter predicts the next big technological shift will come in the form of synthetic artists.

At a panel titled “The Future of Streaming” at the inaugural Trapital Summit in Hollywood on Thursday (Oct. 3), Carter said he does not believe audiences will be able to tell the difference between physical artists and their holographic images in the coming years — and that those lifelike holograms represent the next big revenue generator in music.

To illustrate his point, Carter highlighted what Industrial Light & Magic created for the ABBA Voyage holographic concerts in London. “In terms of live experience, it’s a combination of artificial intelligence and high-end holographic imaging that seems real. The audience won’t be able to tell the difference,” said Carter. “When you go to whatever streaming service, you won’t be able to tell whether that is a human artist or a synthetic artist. When you go to see them live, you won’t be able to tell if it is a human artist or synthetic artist. And the audience won’t care.”

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The bold prediction from the former Spotify executive stemmed from Trapital founder and moderator Dan Runcie’s question about what will replace streaming in the music consumption hierarchy as the technology reaches its saturation point.

While Carter stated that the ascension of synthetic artists will take away from “the purity that our industry thrives on…the genie is out of the bottle and the audience doesn’t care,” he said. “They’re going to gravitate towards it and it’s going to be hugely competitive with what legacy music is today.”

The use of synthetic artists, Carter believes, will be beneficial to both human artists and the wider industry due to its scale. By employing them, he said, “you could do [live experiences and recorded music] in every language. You could do it in all parts of the world. Then there are ways for real artists to be able to use that technology to be able to scale their businesses, as well.”

The discussion followed Carter’s thoughts earlier in the panel on where the music industry needs to be placing its energy now that, in his words, the trend of signing artists from TikTok is “starting to crumble.”

“Everybody chased what was hot on TikTok. We gave the keys to TikTok,” said Carter. “Everybody bet on ephemeral artists for the most part and ephemeral songs on TikTok and that’s starting to crumble now. We got to get to a point where it’s, ‘Okay, let’s bet on the art. Let’s bet on the artist. Let’s bet on development and really put strategy around that.’ The people who can do that are going to build billion-dollar brands with artists.”

According to Carter, the music industry can best use new technologies to its advantage by striking true partnerships with the companies that create it.

“In order for this to work, you need partners in this ecosystem whose incentives are aligned with our industry,” he said. “Me going inside of Spotify, Lyor [Cohen] going inside of YouTube, Jimmy [Iovine] and Larry [Jackson] going inside of Apple, it was people who were actually internally helping to align the interest [of music and technology] and being able to explain why [the music] is important. Some great things came out of that, in terms of building real partnerships. We have to hold all partners who are coming into our industry, who we’re giving content to, accountable for that.”

Kesha & Joe Jonas Change Lyrics About Diddy Following Sexual Assault Lawsuits | Billboard News

Kesha and Joe Jonas are just two of the artists that are changing their song lyrics referencing Diddy following the news that there are 120 sexual assault lawsuits against him.

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It’s the Diddy effect from Joe Jonas to Kesha. Artists are changing their lyrics as the Diddy fallout continues, and this Jobro is the latest one. Joe’s DNCE, track “Cake By The Ocean” ‘s original lyrics, went “Walk for me, baby, I’ll be Diddy. You’ll be Naomi. Whoa oh,” but in clips from live shows last weekend, Jonas seemed to omit Diddy’s name and just mentioned supermodel Naomi Campbell, the Jonas Brothers are currently on tour, delighting fans with hits and covers. “Wake up in the morning feeling like P Diddy” Kesha’s iconic opening to “Tick Tock” also got a facelift with her changing the lyric too, you know what? I’ll let her say it “Wake up in the morning like f*ck. P Diddy, grab my glasses. I’m out the door. I’m gonna hit this city.” Any Diddy lyrics you can think of that may end up getting this treatment. Let us know in the comments.

Chanel Announces Lupita Nyong’o As Latest Brand Ambassador

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Another luxury brand has formally embraced Black excellence. Chanel has announced Lupita Nyong’o as their newest brand ambassador.

As reported by Hypebeast, the Academy Award-winning actress will lend her star power to the French fashion house. In an exclusive statement to Women’s Wear Daily, Lupita explained that the brand has been outfitting her for years. “They were one of my first supporters. I remember wearing them as early as 2013 right when my first film, 12 Years a Slave, came out. And over the years, they’ve often invited me to things and treated me with wonderful hands, and so when they approached me to be an ambassador, I felt very honored,” she said. The New York Times bestselling author added, “of course, this is an important brand, a legacy brand, a historical brand, and I’m happy and very proud to add to that legacy.”

Lupita Nyong’o was born in Mexico City, Mexico, to Kenyan parents. She got her start in Hollywood as a production assistant and made her acting debut in 2008 via the short film East River. Soon after receiving her masters in fine arts from Yale University, she landed her breakout role as Patsey in 12 Years a Slave. Her portrayal won her an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress and a NAACP Image Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Motion Picture. She would go on to star in several blockbuster films including Black Panther and Us. Last month, she launched her own podcast Mind Your Own, which highlights the stories of Africans.

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Demi Lovato Opens Up About Ongoing Eating Disorder Treatment: ‘This Body Saved My Life’

Demi Lovato and Penn Badgley got deep on the latest episode of Podcrushed, with the 32-year-old singer/actress opening up about her ongoing eating disorder treatments, gender presentation and more in an interview posted Thursday (Oct. 3).

Sitting across from the You actor, Lovato gave an update on how they’re currently managing their body image and mental health — all things the Camp Rock star has previously been open about. “I have a treatment team that I work with that helps me stay in recovery, and I’ve been in recovery from bulimia for five, going on six, years now,” she said. “I’m trying to learn body acceptance rather than body positivity, because body positivity feels like, ‘I can’t even reach that yet.’ I have a nutritionist and a therapist that specializes in eating disorders.”

Adding that cooking meals at home feels like “the biggest ‘F— you’” to her eating disorder, Lovato continued that “the main thing that I’m working on is just body acceptance, and looking in the mirror and being like, ‘This body is strong … This body saved my life and fought for my life when I overdosed. This body is a miracle.’”

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The interview comes a few weeks after the Sept. 17 premiere of Lovato’s Child Star Hulu documentary, on which the vocalist further explored their past struggles and interviewed fellow celebrities — Christina Ricci, Drew Barrymore and Jojo Siwa, to name a few — about their own experiences with child fame. Lovato also recently dropped a companion single for the self-directed film titled “You’ll Be OK, Kid.”

But while Badgley had Lovato in his presence, there was another song he wanted to sing with her: 2021’s emotional ballad “Anyone” from Dancing With the Devil. In a clip posted to Podcrushed‘s Instagram, the Gossip Girl alum starts out the song before listening in awe as the “Cool for the Summer” artist took the floor.

Elsewhere in Badgley’s interview with Lovato, the Princess Protection Program star opened up about feeling more comfortable balancing masculinity with femininity as it pertains to their gender presentation. “I came out as nonbinary [in 2021]. I really shed that image of that hyper-feminine pop star that I had been for so many years. I cut all my hair off and it was really freeing for me.”

“I feel masculine and feminine,” Lovato continued. “I have both energies in me. At that point in my life, I really shunned the feminine energy in me, and now I’m able to embrace both.”

Watch Badgley interview Lovato above, and check out their mini-duet below.