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Why It’s Time for Indie Publishers to Get Angry (Guest Column)

The music publishing industry has long been a battlefield, with independent publishers often struggling against the overwhelming dominance of the majors. Companies like Warner Chappell, Sony Music Publishing and Universal Music Publishing Group control vast resources and have significant influence due to their connections with their major record label counterparts, making it difficult for indies to compete.

Despite these challenges, independent publishers continue to embody the spirit of creativity and resilience, navigating the obstacles with unparalleled determination in the face of industry issues including licensing and financial disadvantages, increasing competition and costs, fewer income streams, and more that threaten to push us out of business. Recently, these obstacles have intensified, demanding a more assertive and determined approach from indie publishers. As we progress through 2024 and look ahead to 2025, the reasons for our frustration are pressing and undeniable. 

Over the past few months, the gap between indie and major publishers has widened due to systemic problems and recent controversies. TikTok’s licensing deals, heavily influenced by agreements with major record labels and publishers, have sidelined indie publishers, affecting our ability to monetize our catalogs effectively on a platform that has become critical for music discovery. TikTok’s role in propelling songs and artists to the top of the charts and securing lucrative synch deals makes this marginalization particularly troubling. Indie publishers find themselves at a disadvantage, forced to either accept less favorable deal terms or risk losing out on the opportunity to reach these audiences and, in turn, straining our label relationships. 

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Similarly, the recent Spotify bundling controversy highlights the stark inequalities between major and independent publishers. By adjusting its service offerings to lower mechanical royalty rates, Spotify has given a significant advantage to major publishers. While all publishers are aligned in fighting Spotify’s move, major publishers, with their extensive financial reserves, can more easily absorb the impact of reduced royalties. Additionally, integration with their record label arms allows their parent companies to negotiate recording royalty deals that help offset losses on the publishing side. Independent publishers, however, operate with much tighter margins and lack the diversified revenue streams of their larger counterparts. For us, every penny matters. A reduced mechanical rate isn’t just a cut; it’s a threat to our very existence. 

Beyond these specific cases, the challenges of 2024, including rising operating costs and intense competition in catalog acquisitions, have placed a heavier burden on indie publishers. The surge in catalog acquisitions by major publishers, driven by their financial power and access to capital, has driven up prices, making it increasingly difficult for indies to compete. This trend not only inflates catalog values to potentially unsustainable levels but also concentrates power in the hands of a few dominant players, stifling diversity in the market. Additionally, the rising costs of daily operations, from licensing negotiations to administrative expenses, are squeezing indie publishers even further, forcing some to consider selling their businesses, merging or even closing down. 

Despite these challenges, there are still reasons for indie publishers to be optimistic. The Luminate 2024 Midyear Report shows that indie artists’ market share has grown by an average of 1.76%, with the most significant increase in the 500M+ on-demand audio streams category, increasing 2.7% over 2023 to 9.9%. Additionally, 62.1% of artists with 1 million to 10 million U.S. on-demand audio streams have independent distribution. These two examples out of many showcase the continued impact and growing influence of indie creators in the digital space. Advances in technology, especially AI tools, are providing new opportunities for music production, metadata refinement and distribution, leveling the playing field for indie artists and creators. Organizations like the National Music Publishers’ Association (NMPA), the Association of Independent Music Publishers (AIMP) and the American Association of Independent Music (A2IM) continue to advocate for and support indies, ensuring we have the tools and knowledge needed to navigate the industry. Additionally, the rise in synch opportunities and revenue following 2023’s entertainment labor disputes offer indie publishers a growing source of income in a segment of the industry that, fortunately, remains a free market. 

The path forward for indie publishers is clear: We must unite and use our challenges to motivate change. By channeling our collective frustration, we can fight for fairer treatment and greater solidarity in the industry. Far from being destructive, our anger can be a powerful force, driving indies to recognize our strength, advocate fiercely for our rights, and reshape the industry. We can create a more just environment for our songwriters, ensuring they are fairly compensated and contributing to a more balanced music industry. The time for complacency is over; it’s time for indies to take action and secure our future, and the future of the songwriters who depend on us. 

Marc Caruso is the co-founder and CEO of Los Angeles-based independent music publisher Angry Mob Music, with successful operations in publishing, music rights management and music production. Throughout his more than 20-year career in music as an entrepreneur, composer, producer and Emmy-nominated music editor, Marc has been at the forefront of music publishing and master rights administration for film and TV and has continually been a champion for musician and songwriters’ rights. 

2024 Camp Flog Gnaw Recap: Tyler, the Creator Brings Out Doechii & More | Billboard News

Camp Flog Gnaw was buzzing with energy this past weekend, and we’re taking you through the hottest moments. What was your favorite moment from Camp Flog Gnaw? Let us know in the comments below!

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Over the weekend, Tyler, the Creator had Dodger Stadium rocking as he threw his annual Camp Flog Gnaw festival. Day one saw Tyler take the stage performing tracks from his new Billboard 200 topping album, Chromakopia. Not one to hold all the fun to himself, Tyler brought out some of our favorite artists to join him on stage. Fresh off her Grammy nomination, Tyler brought out Doechii. Speaking of Doechii, she performed during the day at Camp Flog Gnaw, bringing out her own surprise guest, the one and only SZA. Day one of Camp Flog Gnaw closed out with Tyler getting his twerk on with Sexyy Red. Stay tuned for more on Tyler’s Camp Flog Gnaw and more here at Billboard News.

Inspired by His Tour Outfits, Christian Nodal Hopes to Launch His Own Clothing Line

Christian Nodal has officially wrapped his 2024 U.S. Pa’l Cora Tour, during which he visited fans in Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami and Atlanta. In the midst of his 25-date arena trek, Billboard caught up with the mariacheño superstar at the Barclays Center in New York for an exclusive behind-the-scenes look of his tour.

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Nodal — a forward-thinking Música Mexican artist in his music and style — showed off his wardrobe that included shirts, jackets, vest and sunglasses. He wears the latter of the four only when he’s undergoing laser removal of his face tattoos.

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“I’d love to have a clothing brand one day, and what better than to try it on yourself?” he said of his tour outfits. “I’m checking fabrics, textures, and leathers. I love playing a bit with cowboy, mariachi and ranchero looks.”

One of Nodal’s favorite spots to perform at is in New York City because “it’s very special” for the musician. “In general, all the places are special, but New York has magic,” he noted. “It’s very nice because people come from different Latin American countries, not just Mexicans […] People come to the show from all over the world, and that makes the energy much bigger.”

Part of the trek also included a meet-and-greet with his fans, which he says are “euphoric!” “It’s always nice because sometimes they tell anecdotes,” he explained. “There’s not much time [to greet fans] because there are a lot of people.”

A production manager, a monitor engineer, 25 musicians between mariachi and an orchestra, and even a special appearance by his wife and artist, Angela Aguilar, are some of the team players that backed up Nodal’s tour. Watch the Tour Stop with Billboard above.

Paul McCartney Joined by Jack White, St. Vincent During Beatles Legend’s Corona Capital Festival Debut

Paul McCartney made his Latin American music festival debut an epic moment. On Sunday (Nov. 17), the former Beatle invited St. Vincent and Jack White to join him on the main stage of Corona Capital in Mexico for a masterful performance of “The End” in front of nearly 82,000 attendees, according to concert promoter Ocesa.

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Living legend McCartney captivated generations with his performance at the Mexican music festival, marking the closing of the Latin American leg of his Got Back Tour.

¡Hola México! ¿Quiúbole, banda? Tonight I’m going to try to speak a little Spanish. It’s awesome to be here again,” McCartney said as he greeted an ecstatic audience using Mexican slang. Parents and children gathered around the main stage, some of them dressed in colorful outfits that emulated the iconic cover of the Beatles’ 1967 album, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.

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The British icon performed a repertoire that spanned his extensive career, from the classics of the Liverpool quartet to his solo hits. The setlist included songs such as “A Hard Day’s Night,” “Letting Go,” “Got to Get You Into My Life,” “Come On to Me,” “Let Me Roll It,” “Let ‘Em In,” “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da,” “Band On The Run,” and “Let It Be.”

The first guest of the night was St. Vincent, who took the stage to accompany him on guitar on “Get Back.” The artist had had a celebrated performance the day before, and with this number, she closed a masterful pass through Mexico and the Corona Capital.

McCartney appeared happy during his performance at the marathon rock event. On several occasions, he paused briefly to explain some things to the audience. “This is the first song the Beatles ever recorded,” he said in Spanish before singing “Love Me Do.”

The excitement was at its peak when Jack White, who had performed on the Vans stage a couple of hours earlier, took the stage, showcasing his talent and guitar skills. Alongside McCartney and St. Vincent, he created an unforgettable moment and one of the most spectacular closings that Corona Capital has seen in its 14-year history.

The show ran until around 2 a.m. on Monday (Nov. 18), about 40 minutes longer than scheduled. This is something McCartney has done at other festivals when the moment calls for it, just as it happened at the 2009 Coachella festival in Indio, Calif.

With his participation in Corona Capital, McCartney concluded a busy week in Mexico with a series of concerts as part of his Got Back Tour. The tour began on Nov. 8 in the northern city of Monterrey and continued on Nov. 12 and 14 at the GNP Seguros Stadium in Mexico City.

The legendary musician began the Latin American leg of his tour on Oct. 1 in Uruguay, then visited Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Costa Rica and Colombia. The tour will continue in December to France, Spain and the United Kingdom.

Mariri Okutsu of Philosophy no Dance on the Value of Being Herself & Advocating for Mental Health: Billboard Japan Women in Music Interview

Philosophy no Dance’s Mariri Okutsu chatted with Billboard Japan for its Women in Music interview series featuring female players in the Japanese entertainment industry. The WIM initiative in Japan launched in 2022 to celebrate artists, producers and executives who have made significant contributions to music and inspired other women through their work.

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Okutsu made the transition from being a singer-songwriter to an idol group member nine years ago. On the podcast “B-side Talk – Are you taking care of your mental health?” she advocates the importance of mental well-being. Okutsu, who says she was able to find “what’s most important” after going through mental health problems, shares her thoughts on the value of being herself as an idol singer and in her private life.

Tell us how you became an idol group member.

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Before I became an idol performer, I was a singer-songwriter and also played in a band. I was asked if I’d be interested in doing idol work, and although it was a world I knew nothing about, you only live once so I figured I’d give it a try. I’d never even danced before, but took the plunge.

What was your personality like before you became an idol?

Before I became an idol, I think I was more particular about things. I liked rock music and thought I was badass when performing, so when people said stuff like, “You have a good figure” [mentioning the size of her breasts] and “You should sing cuter songs,” I resented that people didn’t see the things I wanted them to see. I was more heavily into the rock mentality back then than I am now, so when people said things like that, I turned up the volume on my guitar even more and distorted the sound, just to be rebellious. [Laughs] In terms of clothes, too, I want to wear my favorite gear for “battle” on stage, and to be the way I need to be in order to shine the most.

Did you ever feel bewildered by the idol scene, since it’s so different from your career up until then?

I’m now in my ninth year of being an idol performer, and feel that it’s a very warm world with passionate fans. At first, I searched for ways to live up to the expectations of what an “idol” should be like. I tried wearing big bows and frilly clothes, and even chose “cute” drinks and food. [Laughs] I tried really hard to figure out what my character should be like, but couldn’t keep trying to be someone I’m not. So I went, “Nope! Not gonna work!” and just showed who I really am, and things became so much easier. After I realized that it’s important to be myself, both in my idol career and in life itself, I try not to put on a front and make sure my true self is as lovely as it can be.

I think it takes courage to show your true self. What advice would you give to someone who can’t muster up the courage to do that?

Being able to create your own character by wearing “armor” is also a wonderful thing. It means you have the physical and mental strength to keep wearing that armor. It’s not about which is better or worse. Whichever you choose is fine.

Those are very convincing words coming from someone like you, since you chose to take off your armor and experienced the relief that comes along with that. What kind of person is the real you?

Well… Another thing that confused me when I became an idol was that it became harder to sing songs about romantic relationships. Until then, I thought it was good to sing about things I felt based on my own experiences. But our fans support us with such enthusiasm and romance is considered taboo for idol singers, and I don’t want to make my fans sad. It’s about establishing a relationship of trust with them. So I overcame this barrier by being up-front and declaring loudly that “I want to get married someday!” [Laughs] Because it’s true that I want to marry and have kids someday. Rather than suddenly announcing it and shocking people, my plan is to get my fans used to the idea that “she wants to get married.” At this point, my fans seem to worry about me and ask, “Aren’t you marrying yet?” [Laughs]

You’ve been an idol for nine years, keeping at it while resolving the things you feel confused about in your own way. Is there anything you take care to do to continue working for a long time?

I think I was always worried about the shelf life of an idol, thinking that if I didn’t achieve results after making my major label debut, I’d be replaced by the younger next generation. But somehow I’ve been able to continue for nine years. The key to that has been not to overwork myself. Even if the other person has no bad intentions, you should be ready to say “No” and take care of yourself when you feel mentally tired or when you feel like you’re not heading the way you want to go.

It’s true that being young is still considered important in today’s idol scene.

Youth is a really powerful thing with its boundless energy and enthusiasm, but I think Philosophy no Dance right now is also in really good condition. We might not have that drive of being young, but we’re calmer grownup women, you know? We’d really like people to check us out.

Why are you able to continue doing what you do with such sincerity?

I went through some mental health problems once. When that happened, I stopped and thought about what I really wanted to do, and decided that the biggest goal in my life was to keep doing music. I figured out what’s most important to me, so I quit all my part-time jobs and the priorities of my various choices from that point on became clear.

You advocate mental well-being in the podcast “B-side Talk” which you host. Are there any episodes you remember in particular?

They’re always interesting, but during the episode on “Sports and Mental Health,” I learned that placing winning above all else can be one of the factors that causes mental distress for athletes, and thought that the concept also has a lot in common with the world of idols and entertainment. The desire to “make it big” can be an effective stimulant, but it can also wear you down mentally. So it’s important to enjoy what you do without being too obsessed with achieving results. I was surprised to find that many of the things I thought were far removed from my own genre were actually connected in terms of mental well-being.

Sony Music Entertainment Japan has been expanding a project called “B-side” that provides support for artists and creators in the entertainment industry, both mentally and physically. I understand that they offer a variety of programs, including counseling. What did you think when you first heard about this system?

I was genuinely happy. As an artist, it’s something to be grateful about, and it’s reassuring to know that we’re being cared for as people, rather than being consumed as products. I actually went in for counseling. I’d never really heard of counseling before, and didn’t have any particular problems, so I was wondering if it was OK to go ahead with it. I thought counseling was something you went to receive advice on whether or not your concerns were right or wrong, and what you should do about them. But when I actually experienced it, counseling felt more like a conversation with myself. Talking to myself helped me to organize my thoughts, and it was like the counselor paved the way for me to find answers like the things that were bothering me or that I was worried about. If anyone has vague, unsettled feelings, I think counseling can help you untangle the knots in your mind.

This interview by Rio Hirai (SOW SWEET PUBLISHING) first appeared on Billboard Japan

Xitter Slams MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Hosts’ Trump Meeting

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The hosts of MSNBC’s Morning Joe program met with Donald Trump, leaving social media users to roast the pair

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With Donald Trump winning the presidential election, some media figures have begun to waver on not associating with him. According to reports, they now include Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, hosts of MSNBC’s Morning Joe program.

The couple met with President-Elect Trump at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida over this past weekend to “restart communications”. Scarborough and Brzezinski disclosed their meeting on the Monday morning (November 18) episode, citing the election as a factor.

“Joe and I realized it’s time to do something different, and that starts with not only talking about Donald Trump but also talking with him,” Brzezinski stated. “For those asking why we would go speak to the president-elect during such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back, why wouldn’t we? Five years of political warfare has deeply divided Washington and the country.”

The duo, who were once friendly with Trump, famously and consistently criticized him during his first presidential administration, with Trump firing back in posts on X, formerly Twitter. “We talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation, threats of political retribution against political opponents and media outlets,” Scarborough said of the meet. “We talked about that a good bit. It will come as no surprise to anybody who watches this show, has watched it over the past year or over the past decade, that we didn’t see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues, and we told him so.”

The two said that Trump was upbeat during their meeting and that they agreed to “restart communications,” per Brzezinski, who cited her father, former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, as an example of communicating with figures and countries which one disagrees with. “I will tell you a lot of Democratic leaders we have talked to this past week since the election have told Mika and me it’s time for a new approach,” Scarborough added.

The news was met with scorn and derision for the MSNBC hosts from users on X, formerly Twitter. One called them “Morning Joke”. One user, Bud McLaughlin, summed up the frustration in a post: Your job isn’t to “work with” the administration, no matter who is in power. Journalists are the Fourth Estate for a reason. We are the check, not the balance.”

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Snoop Dogg & Dr. Dre Preview ‘Missionary’ Album Ahead of Its Release: Watch

Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre’s anticipated Missionary album is set to arrive in December, but the legendary West Coast duo have given fans a taste of what’s to come.

While doing an interviewed for a special Drink Champs episode at ComplexCon in Las Vegas over the weekend, Snoop and Dre previewed some hard-hitting tracks off their joint LP. Snoop reposted some of the clips to his Instagram and received rave reviews from fans, friends and rap peers. LeBron James, Jamie Foxx, Travis Kelce (who is dating Taylor Swift), Tony Yayo, Russ and more celebrities chimed in, giving Snoop his flowers in the comments section.

Fans showed love too. “Man I was not expecting a Snoop Dogg version of Message in a Bottle,” one person wrote after hearing the British rock band sample.

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Another added, “Rap game’s OGs about to remind us what greatness sounds like!”

As seen in clips, Snoop has the lyrics memorized, and he was rapping along to some of his bars at ComplexCon.

Missionary is the first time Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg will unite on a full-length project since Snoop’s 1993 Doggystyle debut album. The hitmakers have kept details of the LP on the hush, but some special guests expected to appear on the album include Sting and Jelly Roll.

“We have Sting on the song. Man, it’s an amazing roster of artists that’s on this album. I shouldn’t have revealed that, to be honest,” Dre told Entertainment Tonight in August.

Hip-hop legends have been making their presence felt all 2024, with Ice Cube dropping on Friday (Nov. 22) and albums earlier this year from LL Cool J, Rakim and more.

Look for Missionary to arrive on Dec. 13.

ROSÉ & Bruno Mars’ ‘APT.’ Rents Fourth Week at No. 1 on Billboard Global Charts

ROSÉ and Bruno Mars’ “APT.” spends a fourth week at No. 1 on both the Billboard Global 200 and Billboard Global Excl. U.S. charts. Three weeks earlier, the team-up debuted as each artist’s second leader on each list.

Elsewhere, Gigi Perez earns her first Global 200 top 10 with “Sailor Song.” Plus, Gracie Abrams notches her first Global Excl. U.S. top 10 with “That’s So True”; a week before, the song became her first top 10 on the Global 200.

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The Global 200 and Global Excl. U.S. charts, which began in September 2020, rank songs based on streaming and sales activity culled from more than 200 territories around the world, as compiled by Luminate. The Global 200 is inclusive of worldwide data and the Global Excl. U.S. chart comprises data from territories excluding the United States.

Chart ranks are based on a weighted formula incorporating official-only streams on both subscription and ad-supported tiers of audio and video music services, as well as download sales, the latter of which reflect purchases from full-service digital music retailers from around the world, with sales from direct-to-consumer (D2C) sites excluded from the charts’ calculations.

“APT.,” released Oct. 18, rules the Global 200 for a fourth week with 146.4 million streams (down 10% week-over-week) and 14,000 sold (up 2%) worldwide Nov. 8-14. The duet debuted with 224.5 million global streams and logged 207.5 million in its second frame, becoming the first title since the chart started to have drawn at least 200 million streams globally in multiple weeks.

“APT.” also now claims four of the top five streaming weeks on the Global 200 among songs released in 2024:

  • 224.5 million, “APT.,” ROSÉ & Bruno Mars, Nov. 2
  • 207.5 million, “APT. ,” ROSÉ & Bruno Mars, Nov. 9
  • 176.8 million, “Fortnight,” Taylor Swift feat. Post Malone, May 4
  • 162.2 million, “APT. ,” ROSÉ & Bruno Mars, Nov. 16
  • 146.4 million, “APT. ,” ROSÉ & Bruno Mars, Nov. 23

Lady Gaga and Mars’ “Die With a Smile” holds at No. 2 on the Global 200, following eight weeks at No. 1, the most for any song this year. It drew 119.1 million streams (essentially even week-over-week) worldwide Nov. 8-14 and has tallied over 100 million streams globally in each of the last 11 weeks, the longest such streak since the chart began.

Billie Eilish’s “Birds of a Feather” repeats at No. 3 on the Global 200, following three weeks at No. 1 beginning in August; Gracie Abrams’ first top 10, “That’s So True,” enters the top five, rising 6-4 with 59.6 million streams (up 35%) and 4,000 sold (up 30%) worldwide; and Oscar Maydon and Fuerza Regida’s “Tu Boda” dips to No. 5 from its No. 4 high.

Gigi Perez’s first Global 200 entry, “Sailor Song,” breezes into the top 10 (12-10) led by 42.8 million streams (up 6%) worldwide. The New Jersey native solely wrote and produced the song.

“APT.” concurrently crowns Global Excl. U.S. for a fourth week, with 129.6 million streams (down 11%) and 10,000 sold (up 2%) outside the U.S. Nov. 8-14.

“Die With a Smile” holds at No. 2 on Global Excl. U.S. following eight weeks at No. 1; Eilish’s “Birds of a Feather” is steady at No. 3, after three weeks at No. 1 beginning in August; and Oscar Maydon and Fuerza Regida’s “Tu Boda” keeps at its No. 4 high.

Plus, “That’s So True” becomes Abrams’ first Global Excl. U.S. top 10, surging 13-5 with 36.4 million streams (up 43%) and 1,000 sold (up 50%) outside the U.S. The singer-songwriter has opened on over three dozen dates of Taylor Swift’s The Eras Tour, serving as the sole opener for all shows since Oct. 18; she is also set to be the only supporting act for the tour’s remaining dates through Dec. 8.

The Billboard Global 200 and Billboard Global Excl. U.S. charts (dated Nov. 23, 2024) will update on Billboard.com tomorrow, Nov. 19. For both charts, the top 100 titles are available to all readers on Billboard.com, while the complete 200-title rankings are visible on Billboard Pro, Billboard’s subscription-based service. For all chart news, you can follow @billboard and @billboardcharts on both X, formerly known as Twitter, and Instagram.

Luminate, the independent data provider to the Billboard charts, completes a thorough review of all data submissions used in compiling the weekly chart rankings. Luminate reviews and authenticates data. In partnership with Billboard, data deemed suspicious or unverifiable is removed, using established criteria, before final chart calculations are made and published.

Prosecutors Say Diddy Is Abusing Phone Privileges And More

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Diddy’s pursuit of bail continues to be an uphill battle. Prosecutors claim he has been abusing his phone privileges to finesse the system and more.

PEOPLE reports that the mogul’s latest push for a restricted release faces more objection. On Friday (Nov. 15), prosecutors submitted new documents detailing their reasoning on why the Bad Boy Entertainment founder should not be granted a new bail hearing.

This time, they point to some of his behavior while behind bars and claim he has been bending the rules in his favor. They say the “Victory” rapper has been utilizing a “non-authorized third-party messaging service” to communicate with his staff, family, and others.

The app in question is ContactMeASAP, and the filing asserts he has been using it to contact “unauthorized” contacts. He is also accused of using other inmates’ phone access codes to make “three-way calls to contact other individuals.”

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Prosecutors also point to his recent conversation with his children on his birthday.

“The defendant enlisted family members to plan and execute a social media campaign around the defendant’s birthday, with the intention of influencing the potential jury in this criminal proceeding,” the paperwork reads. “At the defendant’s carefully curated direction, the defendant’s children posted a video to their respective social media accounts showing the defendant’s children gathered to celebrate the defendant’s birthday.” The feds would also go on to suspect Diddy had “monitored the analytics” of the post and “explicitly discussed with his family how to ensure that the video had his desired effect on potential jury members in this case.”

The footage in question shows Justin Combs, Quincy Combs, Christian Combs, Jessie, D’Lila Combs, and Chance Combs, who joined via FaceTime and spoke to Diddy over the phone. His children wished him a happy birthday and had a small cake on the table in his honor. Diddy has plead not guilty to the charges.

Jimmy Fallon & Jon Hamm Transform Into Creed for Hilarious ‘With Arms Wide Open’ Music Video Recreation

Jimmy Fallon and Jon Hamm? More like Scott Stapp times two.

The Mad Men actor was a guest on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon recently, where the duo reminisced on the time that they “used to be Creed.”

“We were the lead singer of the band Creed,” Hamm noted, before Fallon recalled, “We did that one music video together on the Scottish glen.”

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A flashback then took place, in which both Hamm and Fallon rock frontman Stapp’s long brown locks and yellow jacket he wore in the 1999 music video for Creed’s hit, “With Arms Wide Open.” The two take turns belting the lyrics amid a vast green landscape, hitting the triumphant chorus — and deeply embracing each other in the process — by singing, “With arms wide open under the sunlight/ Welcome to this place, I’ll show you everything.”

Creed recently wrapped up their 40-date reunion tour, marking their first time hitting the road together in over a decade. “I feel like I’m as strong as I’ve ever been vocally, and looking forward to sharing the stage with the guys again,” Stapp said in a statement at the time of the gig’s announcement. “The fans have clearly let us know they feel it’s long overdue. I want to give them what they deserve. I’m ready to bring it.”

As a group, Creed has notched hits including “One,” “Higher,” “My Sacrifice” and, of course, “With Arms Wide Open.” Their 1999 sophomore album, Human Clay, has sold 11.7 million copies to date, according to Luminate.

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Watch Jimmy Fallon and Jon Hamm recreate the “With Arms Wide Open” music video below.